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Dublin Airport Bus Service Changes & Discussion

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  • Posts: 353 [Deleted User]


    "Translink saying that they are having talks, means nothing apart from the fact they are willing to meet people and allowing people to apply means just the fact they are allowing people to apply. "

    Thats incorrect, lots of private operators are either already operating out of it or are about to. That is the second time you have spun this yarn in only a few posts and you were corrected with facts after the first time you did it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 LF403


    Get used to them being there. Current plans are for them to sit on trickle charge for 6 months (minimum) to give the DAA time to install charging infrastructure at the terminals and in the car parks.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,845 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    The first examples of the Irizar ie.Tram have entered service in London.

    23 of these (mix of rigid and articulated) are due to enter service at Dublin Airport to replace all diesel car park and staff shuttle buses next year.

    Post edited by devnull on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,792 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    InInteresting looking vehicle. Will be to see if these will end up being a success here and in the UK or end up like the FTR for example. I quite like them personally think it's sort of a shame the NTA didn't order these for the O ahead of the E200s although flexibility would be a bit of issue for pantograph charged buses.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,819 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    Gosh it's really lipstick on a pig to call it a tram 😁



  • Posts: 353 [Deleted User]


    Articulated / bendy buses are a bad idea for the general roads but they are a great idea for the airport car park shuttles. Since they have been removed its been a crapper experience with longer queues and lots of pushing and shoving to get on (at the airport to car park end at peak times when the bus arrives it cant handle the crowd of people and as its a long wait for the next one people engage looking after themselves mode and when you have suit cases bashing around the place its not a great experience).

    With the shortage of drivers which shows no sign of improving in the medium term you would think they would look into them again. The Irizar tram offers an articulated version so lets hope sense prevails.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Looks great, can we go ahead and buy the articulated version and bang them on the Swords Road, quays, etc. I promise not too mention Swiftway again if they do!!

    I like that the USB chargers have both USB-A and USB-C, can we copy that for new city buses?

    I'm curious about the trade off's in cost of this single decker with a smaller 200kWh battery + pantograph versus our EA class with a much larger 348kWh battery [1] and just regular plug in depot fast charger

    Obviously double the battery costs more, but the pantograph probably costs quiet a bit more then regular plug in chargers. Probably depends on the route.

    [1] Interestingly it looks like ADL has dropped BYD who I believe made the batteries for our EA class and instead ADL are now using 400kWh CATL LFP batteries in the Enviro200EV. Bigger battery and better LFP chemistry, would be good for future models if we need to buy more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,672 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    I like that the USB chargers have both USB-A and USB-C, can we copy that for new city buses?

    new Darts have this as well.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk




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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,845 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    The Aircoach Citaros were running 24x7 for 15-16 years and towards the end they were really struggling and because there are so few of that generation in the UK and Ireland in articulated form, parts were becoming harder and more expensive to come by and it became clear that it wasn't sustainable to keep them all running until the new electric vehicles were delivered. This has affected other operators of the same generation artics.

    Even a couple of years ago it was not uncommon for over a third of them to be out of action at any one time, which is why First sent over the Plaxton Primos and the extra Wright Eclipses and even at one point had to use coaches on the car park shuttles to avoid having to pay penalties for cancelling shuttle services. First did purchase the ex Brighton and Hove Citaros of a similar age in 2022 with the idea being they could provide parts for the Aircoach fleet, but it was found that they were in little better condition than the Aircoach ones so in reality they only helped a very small amount.

    It was obviously not going to be economically sustainable to buy or lease new articulated diesel vehicles when the Airport wanted to go over to full electric vehicles in the near future which would make the new articulated vehicles essentially redundant with a very limited second hand market demand for them which would make them something of a white elephant and an absymal return on investment. It simply would not have made business sense but it also didn't make business sense to have to pay the DAA compensation for non operating of services either, so the Evoras were a compromise.

    The idea with those Evoras (which are very well built and probably the best modern single decker out there right now) which are 12.9m spec makes them the longest and highest capacity single deck two axle bus on the market, is that they are an interim solution for a short period until the Irizars come on board, and when the Irizars do come on board, the Evora's can then be converted back to a more conventional city bus and then deployed elsewhere in the UK and Ireland. I agree it's not perfect for passengers, but it makes perfect business sense. Now the whole thing has not been helped by the fact that the Irizars in London entered into service late, and the knock on effect that has had on the Aircoach order that is now also said to be running late.

    The one piece of good news I can give you is that out of the 23 to be delivered, I have heard that at least 14 of them will be articulated and at least 6 of them will be rigid. I don't know about the other three.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,845 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    An in-depth review of the new Irizar Ie.Tram in London spec from a very well known UK Bus Industry figure:

    Seems these vehicles at least in TfL layout, do have a few issues. You would hope the narrow entrance door issue is not on airport spec ones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    I'm guessing the issue aswell with pantograph charged buses is flexibility. Let's say they allocated these buses to the O route instead of the EAs well then they can't allocate these to other routes like the 99, L58, L59 or 39a unless pantographs charging points have been installed at the termini to these routes also. So not as flexible as having buses charging in the garage.

    It'll work perfect in the likes of the airport where buses are just running up and down between carparks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Have used these a good few times parking in the red carpark lately and can't say I've had any issues getting on and off. The Evoras are nice buses I believe the plan is for them to be sent to the UK when the electrics arrive and have the rear doors removed and luggage racks removed and replaced by seats not sure where exactly they plan to sent them too.

    The blue carpark might be more of an issue for them as less buses run on it so there tends to be more capacity issues on it. I'm guessing when the ie trams arrive they'll use the artics for the blue and red carparks and rigids on the green and staff carparks with maybe some rigids going in as additional buses on the red carpark bit definitely the blue carpark should be artics only. I've heard the artic trams are supposed to be over €1 million each so it appears the DAA have plenty of money to throw about.

    From my experience on the carpark shuttles most drivers only board by the rear doors and only open the front doors for alighting passengers. Not official DAA/Aircoach policy but prevents passengers standing in front of the white line and spreads the load throughout the bus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,932 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    That's great news to read about these new Irizar Ie tram buses for the Dublin Airport car park routes.

    If they were commercially available without a pantograph to recharge the battery pack. They would have been a perfect electric bus to use either for Swiftway or for the proposed BRT routes as part of BusConnects Dublin.

    Have the DAA or First shared any information yet about where they are locating these new charging pantographs for the new buses?



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,845 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    I imagine the pantographs may well be located at the bus stops, like is done in Birmingham, so they can charge by laying over.

    The Ie.Trams can be charged via plug in as well as an option in addition to via pantograph. The ones in London have this option which will allow them to be charged in depot also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 LF403


    From what I've heard, the DAA are planning to install pantographs at the current car park bus stands in T1, with additional ones in each carpark for layover charging. No word yet on if there's any charging kit going into the depot - as if they aren't tight enough on space!



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Yes, I feel like Pantographs are just a temporary solution until batteries get big enough that they can run all day without needing to recharge outside the depot. It kind of feels like we are already at that point with the EA's and EW's, but there are still perhaps places for pantographs. These sort of pantograph powered buses already feel slightly out of date.

    As others said above, they can be charged by cable in the depot too, so their is some flexibility. However they have only like half the battery and thus range of the EA/EW, so still limited.

    Irizar don't seem to offer a bigger battery option which is surprising, if I was to guess it is only a matter of time until they offer an option with double the battery and the panto optional.

    I don't think there is any real advantage of the 12m Irizar over the EA class. It is the 18m articulated ones that I'd find more interesting given their 140 passenger capacity. Could be a great help with capacity issues on the busy core routes. Though I'd prefer a version with >400kWh battery and depot charging.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,845 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Six rigid Irizar Ie.Trams have now been accepted by Aircoach and been issued with registration plates.

    The vehicles are as follows:

    242-D-21350 (69801)
    242-D-21347 (69802)
    242-D-21349 (69803)
    242-D-23697 (69804)
    242-D-23698 (69805)
    242-D-23699 (69806)

    They are 12.16m long which makes them a little shorter than the 12.9m Evoras.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 213 ✭✭mickmmc


    Park2travel.ie website is gone live today for Airport Car Parking. That Airport Car Park is the former QuickPark, which is opening on 10th March 2025. APCOA are the operator.

    APCOA will need drivers and busses for shuttle services or subcontract out the shuttle bus service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    I guess it's possible Aircoach could get the contract for that too. Didn't Aircoach run the original shuttles for Quickpark prior to O'Sullivan starting Dublin Coach. Could be a use for the Evoras once the trams arrive.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,845 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    It looks like Gary Gannon still owns the land but APCOA are managing it

    When O'Sullivan was at Aircoach yes, but it was quite a short time that they ran both and soon after O'Sullivan left Aircoach he operated the shuttles directly, a little before starting Dublin Coach if I remember correctly. At that point there was nowhere near the number of vehicles used on the DAA car park shuttles that there is now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 airporthopper


    Hi everyone,

    I wanted to share some information about the recent changes to the Dublin Airport bus services. Airport Hopper has been working hard to ensure that our shuttle service remains reliable and convenient for travelers from Maynooth to Dublin Airport. We've updated our schedules and routes to better accommodate your travel needs.

    If you have any specific questions or need more details about our service, feel free to ask. We're here to help make your journey as smooth as possible!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Website is live and showing up as €80 cheaper than the red carpark and 60€ cheaper than the Blue for two weeks in mid July. I'd say the DAA are fuming which goes to show the monopoly they have/had whilst quickpark was gone.

    Given the current climate for drivers they need to be really need to be getting up and running ASAP for that March 10th opening date whether their contracting the service out or running it in house. It won't look great for them if they have to push the start date back due to a lack of drivers.

    Post edited by mikeybhoy on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,845 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Little early to compare rates...

    DAA will have sold a % of spaces for peak summer already. If you comapre daa for 10 March-17 March (Blue 10 cheaper, Red 12 more).

    The Revenue from car parks forms part of the regulators decision on airport charges.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,845 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Note that comments relating to Aircoach have been moved to the pre existing thread where they were already being discussed.

    Moderator



  • Posts: 317 [Deleted User]


    Airport Hopper gone out of business



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Not surprised seemed to be a good service when Dualway were running it but heard bad things since it restarted under the new management



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,845 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    The service is still and has always been licensed to Dualway despite incorrect claims that it no longer had anything to do with them. It seems the operation was contracted out by Dualway for the relaunch a couple of years ago but the route still belongs to them.



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