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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,774 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Another false claim.
    The British and Irish governments in tandem with the political parties designed the Executive.
    All parties recognise that like the statelet there are failures and want reforms….except the DUP and as yet Dublin and London have not moved on acceding to that desire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭StormForce13


    But, if you believe the blather from the Sinn Fein goons, then you'll be aware that most of their young supporters are having to emigrate because they can't afford to buy a house in Ireland. That being so, it would be crazy of "FFG" (as the flatheads call them) to solve the housing crisis - because keeping it in place will drive SF voters out of the country!

    I suggest that FF and FG - who have received absolutely no credit from the "parties of the left" and their empty headed, numerically challenged supporters for the huge efforts they have made to tackle the problem - should negotiate a new programme for government that excludes any attempt to address the housing problem for the next decade. By then most of the potential SF/SD/Labour/PbP voters will be living abroad so won't be able to vote!

    If FFG adopt this strategy, then Ireland's Thousand Year Reich will start in 2025.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭StormForce13


    Pot ……. kettle …… black. Remedial education beckons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,774 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If you look at the data the housing crisis is affecting all political classes.

    FF FG won the argument, second chance to fix it and they said they could and would do it.
    Lets see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭a2deden


    Your comments are delusional. SF will go into power in any way FF offer, the offer just isnt going to come



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    The DUP and SF demanded changes in StAndrews as a condition of returning to a stalled assembly. Collusion between the two to set up the power swapping arrangement. The govts let it through but that was a bad call. Appeasement of extremists is poor long term policy and so it has proven.

    However, SF and the DUP do now look like a couple trapped in a bad marriage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,774 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    A bit like FF and FG then who incidentally are a culpable for the failings in the GFA. If you think there is a problem contact your TD because only the governments can initiate the reforms they all want…. bar the DUP



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    Who said I voted sinn fein? I already stated in this thread earlier who I voted for. There's no fake concern. Im a young person who works hard and this country has and is failing young people and others. So no faking here. We're not all as hollow and cynical as you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    What a load of bile and waffle. Stop worrying about SF and focus on your government destroying the country instead . The opposition live in your head rent free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    Remedial education is saved for those who elect the same failing government over and over and expecting things to improve



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    Did I say you voted SF? Who did you vote for, if you don’t mind saying?

    What is so hollow and cynical in what I said before? This country is not failing young people by the way, young people have never had so many opportunities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    I would agree that FF are culpable for allowing SF and the DUP to persist with the carve up.

    A proposal to move away from the current First Minister selection rule would be a good thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    interesting video on Griptmedia which flashed up. Now I know Gript are a joke but it’s them asking MLMD and all the TD a question

    MLMD starts the spin, something something FG something something as usual. Can’t answer a question


    Louise standing beside her and she ain’t happy, literally grinding her teeth while listening to MLMD, including turning around and raising her eye brows

    Seems like a little revolt might be on cards for SF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,857 ✭✭✭Field east


    I have no fundamental issue with the current government destroying the country as per your take on what that means . In a survey just published a high percentage of us , Irish people, seem to be happy with their lot.i know that there are still some outstanding issues to be addressed. So on that basis I can go along with the ‘ level of destroying’ going on.
    AT LEAST I WOULD PREFER TO LIVE IN IRELAND RATHER THAN IN FRANCE , GERMANY , RUSSIA, UKRAINE, MOLDOVA, ISRAEL, IRAQ, UK, AMERICA, SYRIA, LEBANON SUDAN, BELARUS, SOMALIA, GREESE, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭JVince


    Read this article in FT yesterday 

     

    Surprised FF & FG did not have this information. It would have knocked SF blubber out of the park.


    Less than 5,000 houses being built in NI this year, chronic infrastructure issues, social houses lying idle due to lack of water connections, housing becoming unaffordable for people, 47,000 are on the housing waiting list and 55,000 are registered as homeless (they have a different method of calculation)


    Whilst much funding comes from the UK. The refusal of sf to look at local taxes such as increasing domestic rates (includes waste) or bringing more housing into the rates net or introducing water charges is the primary cause of the funding issue. 

    https://www.ft.com/content/652b8de8-cad3-4005-9e2b-b9f01dd8f2ab



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,774 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Here the thing, FF FG's have gotten the blessing of the people here.

    What they have done and not done in housing has been given the seal of approval and also their promises to fix those problems accepted.

    SF have likewise been given the same mandate in the north.

    You can't thump your chest about what democracy means here and then deny what it means in the north. The electorate choses SF above anyone else in the north. Here they chose FF FG.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭JVince


    sf have been a shambles as the main party in NI if that article is anything to go by.

    Their record on house building is utterly appalling - its going DOWN dramatically when demand and price is soaring. At lest FF & FG can show consistent increases in housing output.

    If you took a pro-rata view, housing completions in the Republic of Ireland would be about 13,000 if we replicated the sf policy in Northern Ireland.

    That is a shameful indictment of sf housing policy in Norther Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭spillit67


    SF have a supporter base that are Trumpified now. A lot of youngsters who have been successfully condition to think that any criticism of SF is fake news.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    I voted soc dems, Labour, Greens and pbp.

    What opportunities do you speak of? Housing and rent being record prices? And homelessness? Or our awful health system ? Or dreadful transport system? Or barely existent mental health system? Or disastrous disability care ?

    Why are young people still leaving the country in droves for the likes of Australia Canada etc ?

    Are you a young person?

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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,295 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    We had net emigration by Irish citizens from April 2023 to April 2024 of 500 people.

    Not exactly the dystopia you're portraying.

    A lot of young people are leaving to work a few years in low tax economies with the plan to return financially better off.

    Yes, not a perfect situation, but hardly the 1950s



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    I'm sorry but that's mostly older gen, rural and upper classes who are happy with their lot. Ask people who are looking for a house or place to live, or struggling with childcare or medically or mental health. People with autistic kids or people in dubkin trying to commute. If you're privileged then most people in any country are happy with their lot.

    How is a country with just 5 million people having a housing crisis ? How are immigrants in tents everywhere? And record homelessness? The Netherlands has 15m people in a smaller country and manages its resources and ability to house its people and immigrants much better.

    Are you happy with billions wasted on a children's hospital that's construction is never ending? Or a million on a security hut?

    Do you think its acceptable our health system doesn't have enough beds nor medical staff? Patients on trollies growing every year. Waiting lists for cancer and other ailments through the door. People waiting months if not years.

    We don't have enough doctors, nurses, gardai, teachers among others. Many of whom emigrating.

    Cop on to yourself. You're either living head in the clouds or have zero standards



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    5000 people. And the number of people leaving the country is the highest in years.

    It's not a dystopia but it's a dreadfully run country for EU standards with dreadful housing, infrastructure and social services for an EU country also. But oh its not the 1950s...Well done to the government for that one that's an achievement



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,774 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    And the electorate decide as they did here who is best to fix the problems.

    Instead of looking at a mandatory coalition that was necessary because the statelet had failed and they clearly don't understand how it works, FF FG need to now get on and solve the crisis here that they insisted they could.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Please tell us what party would fix the every issue you highlighted?

    I think you'll find it's not the other person's head in the clouds.

    Ireland overall is in pretty good shape imo. Record employment. We can't evening fill the job vacancy so need immigrants.

    Definitely need more housing, but imo they should be changing the laws for renters. Let people sign 30/40 year rent deals in urban areas to have stability.

    There's huge opportunities for everyone in the country to better themselves instead of whinging. It's easier to moan and whinge than do something about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    Apples and oranges. Different levels of power, responsibilities and budget. Ireland has a massive massive budget surplus and the government here has wasted billions. The North is on a shoestring budget, with two ideologically opposite parties power sharing with limited governance and powers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    What a privileged take. I'm laughing here. There's only ever been the same two parties in charge , and all those issues ive highlighted have, despite major tax receipts of billions and decades of eu supports, got worse and worse. How is there record homelessness and house prices? Why is the health system falling apart and infrastructure?

    If ffg haven't fixed it by now, after decades in power they can't or won't solve them going forward. Simple as. Your delusion or spin won't change that

    Tell the record number out sleeping on the streets to stop whinging Ebenezer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The same failing government that has seen record employment, record growth, record numbers of first-time buyers, record life expectancy and has Ireland in the top ten countries of the world in which to live?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    Record growth in what exactly? Multinational corporations existing here tax free and inflating our false gdp? Every economist knows irelands gdp and economy is built on sand and is artificially inflated numbers.

    Record employment yet record homelessness and record numbers of people under 30 living at home with their parents. Mad how that works.

    Only European nation without an underground metro system in its capital city never mind second city.

    Why is the children's hospital one of the most expensive buildings in history and still not open yet, years and years later? Meanwhile the health system is a shambles with waiting lists and people on trollies. It was horrendous 10 years ago and worse now. One of the only eu nations without fully public health system.

    You can list off vague cherry picked stats but everything else and the detail collapses under scrutiny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,774 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    and has left many many people behind. Represented by those who didn't vote for the powershare.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Tell me who will fix it? Answer the question, you seem to know more than the rest of the country



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