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New housing developments in Maynooth

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    That LAP is shortsighted though. Every new development within the town should be taken into account for the ring road. As they add to the volume of traffic and make the town virtually impassable at certain times of the day. Regardless of a new development in that location the ring road is needed. I will also be grilling them about that. It just needs to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,803 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    It isn't something TDs can influence. You'll get plamased and it won't mean anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Agreed. They are all the same. And the councilors are beyond useless. You'd imagine things will get a hell of a lot worse in terms of congestion before anything is ever done about it. A set of lights seems to be the answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,803 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    So why are you going to grill them (Dáil candidates) about it when they have absolutely no control over it?

    The ring road won't solve congestion in the town centre by any means either. The permeability measures people don't seem to like; school buses; express coach services to the city centre, UCD and DCU; DART+; the completion of the Greenway to Leixlip; the W6 bus starting in a few weeks will/would (some of these are happening, some aren't) each have some impact though.

    One really simple thing that would have a surprising impact on car dependency and hence congestion would be a convenience store in Moyglare again; but that's not something the council or TDs can deliver - there's shops there, just empty. But when you have to drive to get a carton of milk in a sodding town, something's wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    No they won't. They will have little to no impact. We need better traffic management and a ring road to alleviate traffic through the town. Particularly cars trying to get to pressure points in the town such as the schools in Moyglare and the college. . The greenies don't like that though.

    I will grill them about the state of the town. It's literally their job to try and improve things for us. Why the hell are they knocking on our doors then. You have an answer for everything but a solution for nothing. Apart from walking or cycling.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,803 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Multiple measures having small impact becomes a culmulative large impact.

    There is absolutely nothing further to squeeze from traffic management; unless you start going in to the severe proposals in the traffic plan - one way streets, new road across the bottom of the Harbour Field in to Parson Street, close upper Parson Street, make the main street one way from the Square to the girls school, route buses through the train station (closing most if its parking).

    A ring road is not going to make traffic through the town any better. It'll make it easier to get to/from the college and Moyglare and the motorway; but the town centre is going to remain a mess.

    Traffic in the town centre is a mess all day, all week - not just at college and Moyglare commuter times.

    TDs are going for election to a national body, not a local one. They are not in a position to alter local issues. If they have a local councillor in their party, its going to be the councillor that actually does things; if they don't, they won't get anything done (we can see the local TD with no councillors in their party is particularly useless right now, for instance).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,888 ✭✭✭donspeekinglesh


    There's no empty units in Moyglare now. The previous shop in Moyglare Village looks to be a house/apartments now. And the unit on Moyglare Hall that was originally earmarked for a shop is a preschool/creche.

    But you're right, a shop is needed this side of town. The old unit was too small though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,803 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Is the creche in Moyglare Hall not in what was always intended to be a creche; or are there two?

    The units that were built weren't taken by shops anyway, same with Griffin Rath where the creche extended in to them (possibly that's the same in Moyglare Hall).

    Mariavilla was meant to have some retail also I think, but its not finished anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    A decent size Spar or Centra could easily be built at the end of the road leading into Moyglare Hall. Where you turn left at the roundabout for the School. In saying that it would nearly be quicker to walk from Moyglare Village to Dunnes so a location that suits all of Moyglare is tricky. Obviously Planning is needed etc.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,803 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    That's the stub of a section of the ring road.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    I know. I wouldn't go building it on the actual ring road. That could cause more traffic problems if the road ever goes ahead. I'd put it on a site at the side of the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,803 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The land is all zoned F open space or I agriculture in the LAP so it'd need rezoning as well (did have to look that up)

    The land opposite the junction of the Moyglare Hall road and the Moyglare Road is going to be zoned N (neighbourhood centre - shops etc).

    Doesn't mean anything will ever get built/opened though. There's also an N zone along the eastern ring road



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,888 ✭✭✭donspeekinglesh


    The creche is in what was meant to be the shop unit (on The Walk). The original creche location was a site off The Dale, here:

    Google Maps

    You can still see the parking spaces for it. The site has never been developed and is just fenced off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,803 ✭✭✭✭L1011




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,144 ✭✭✭Staplor


    The entire planning systems are a shambles, from urban planning, to getting planning permission to build something. I do hold politicians accountable for that. Local and National level. It needs all needs reforming and aligned to international best standards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭OwlsZat


    The Planning and Development Bill 2023 was approved by the Houses of the Oireachtas on October 9, 2024, and is now awaiting the President's signature to be signed into law. This significant piece of legislation is set to overhaul the planning system in Ireland

    Here are some of the key changes included in the bill:

    1. Statutory Timelines: Introduction of statutory timelines for all consenting processes to provide certainty to applicants
    2. Reorganization of An Bord Pleanála: The planning authority will be reorganized and renamed as An Coimisiún Pleanála
    3. Alignment of Planning Tiers: Greater alignment among all tiers of planning to improve consistency
    4. Judicial Review Reforms: Improvements to the planning judicial review processes, including the introduction of an Environmental Legal Cost Scheme
    5. Urban Development Zones: Creation of Urban Development Zones to facilitate a more plan-led approach to development
    6. Strategic Planning: Introduction of ten-year strategic plans for Local Authorities
    7. Anti-Abuse Provisions: Provisions to deter abuse of planning processes through spurious submissions and appeals


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,803 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Application gone in for 18 houses on Doctors Lane, where the carpark for Donatellos/Oak Alley is meant to be (and briefly was)

    The planning to alter the approved development (115 apartments, application was to change layout and remove an office element) for the lands opposite Manor Mills were approved, but have been appealed to ABP by the Parish Committee of the church



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Good stuff. That will only help traffic problems in the town.

    Hopefully ABP see sense. Doubtful though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,803 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The existing permission for the 115 won't go away even if the appeal is granted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭Gusser09




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,803 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The entire town is a traffic issue. Housing developments are not going to be stopped because of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭crl84


    Tight squeeze to get 18 houses into that land I'd have thought. I assume they're mostly terraced?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,803 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    All terraced. EIGHT parking spaces at the top for the 18 houses, houses to be accessed via a pedestrian walkway.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,400 Mod ✭✭✭✭lordgoat


    more roads to fix traffic… more roads give you more cars.

    Traffic in maynooth will only get worse over the next few years. Town is obsessed with building houses and estates that are not even connected for walking cycling because antisocial behaviour (and I can't say this any clearer) - get fu**ed if you complain about opening up estates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,803 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Perceived antisocial behaviour that is mostly just "I'm scared of teenagers", at that; not anything real. Or "I don't like people walking by at night", when that is one of the biggest things to reduce break-ins and car thefts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭TragicJohnson


    Some of the proposed opening ups deserved objections. Our residents association objected to the 2 openings in Silken Vale

    (Meadowbrook Road and to the train station car park), as the residents impacted saw no benefit. So we rightly objected.

    If you are on the Meadowbrook Road and want to get to the Straffan Road there were already 3 openings adjacent to the proposed new opening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,803 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The openings proposed were for Silken Vale/Arches residents to get places easier, not for other people to get through Silken Vale. None of the measures were designed to increase throughput that had reasonable alternates, they were all designed to make people less likely to use a car.

    Meadowbrook Road one makes it vastly more practical for someone living at the back of Silken Vale to get to shops without using a car. At the furthest difference, Newtown Spar/Pharmacy would become 500m walk compared to Donovans/Patricks Pharmacy being 1.1km. Also takes 400m off getting to the train station. These are for the houses closest to the proposed entrance, if you're up the top of what is a very long, dead end estate it won't change anything for you. But 1.1km for a carton of milk and people are going to drive.

    The train station one would likely have been stopped by Irish Rail but would have made the train more attractive to people in Silken Vale and been no use to anyone outside the estate.

    So no, neither of those deserved objections and indeed the one to the Meadowbrook Road is amongst the most obviously needed ones in the town - there is already a Desire Line forming of people hopping the wall to the extent that bricks are getting knocked off it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭TragicJohnson


    In your humble opinion they deserved no objections. But the residents at the Meadowbrook Road end of the estate have a different view of it and that's what matters.

    Why do you view it as either we have these openings or we drive to get a litre of milk? People are aware of the health benefits and environmental benefits of walking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,803 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The traffic counts and analysis done in Maynooth show that yes, people drive for their carton of milk.

    And a lot of that is down to huge dead end estates.

    And no, those residents views have no more weight than anyone elses, sorry.

    What negatives do you think would come from the openings?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭TragicJohnson


    So your view on an issue that you say will only impact the residents of Silken Vale & The Arches, is as important as the actual residents who live there? You are of course entitled to your view, but if opinions are to be weighted the residents should be prioritized.

    I'm open minded on the issue, how can we actually know how they would work out. But I respect the view of those impacted. I don't like this view demonizing anyone that objected to parts of the town plan, submission were invited, be they in favour or against the plan.

    One issue that would arise and it's not illegal, is we would have more parking in the estate as there would be handier access to the train station (either via Meadowbrook or the train station car park opening) for non residents. Also, if there was access to the train station car park Silken Vale would become the drop off/pick up spot for the train station as it would be easier to get into and out of than the Irish Rail car parks. So the noise pollution and extra car emissions in the estate would be very hard to accept from this plan.



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