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Tesla Talk

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,184 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Whatever way you want to describe it, in a politically agnostic way the decision taken by musk in this instance seems to have paid off at least in the short term. Musk has recently been very vocally anti regulation so his position makes sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,210 ✭✭✭wassie


    I think getting regulatory support will always be the biggest hurdle Musk faces. Regulators are naturally going to be conservative, meaning getting FSD that relies on vision only was always going to be a tough ask.

    That ask may well be looking somewhat easier.

    Its going to be an interesting space to watch Tesla next year also given Trumps attitudes to EVs & renewables in general.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,184 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Yes. And I think Tesla could be repositioned in the US amongst the MAGA base - along the lines of yeah we hate EVs but Tesla is all american so we love tesla specifically. Is that a pipe dream? I don't know. But if they don't start liking some EVs they will run out of choices in time.

    I mean, Tesla even hits the DEI cohort, there is an African American ceo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭crl84


    More to do crypto-sceptic Sherrod Brown losing his Senate seat and thus losing chairmanship of the Senate Banking Committee. The Crypto Bros pumped sh1tloads of money into his Republican opponent's campaign on a bid to unseat him, and potentially open up looser regulations.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,527 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    so in plain English, is that a good thing or a bad thing 😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭DrPsychia


    Autopilot should be a good indication of what FSD has to offer, but it's crap. Autopilot is undoubtedly the least reliable ADAS system I've ever used, I don't care what NCAP ratings say, real world Irish climate - its crap. Sharing @ELM327 experience, I get countless bingbongs due to darkness, glare, rain, etc. If the system struggles with basic functionality under common conditions, where other manufacturers’ systems perform much better, it’s unrealistic to expect it to perform flawlessly in more complex scenarios.

    Cameras are essential as part of a suite of ADAS sensors for redundancy; cameras alone cannot provide the necessary depth perception, redundancy, and environmental understanding required for safe FSD, especially in unfavorable weather like we always have in Ireland.

    Musk is a cult of personality, like trump. Believing Musk is like voting for Trump; people completely ignore the past, ignore his promises, ignore his lies, and blindly believe his every word. The amount of positive comments I read online about Musk is crazy. Some people talk like he actually builds cars, rockets, whatever, with his bare hands. Musk invented this or that, blah blah. He surrounds himself with sycophants.

    He constantly pushes this nonsense about Tesla being a technology company because technology is easy to promise and pump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭John arse


    Test drove a highland m3 yesterday,very impressed - very premium - excellent value for money.Just the trade-in situation let's them down for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 964 ✭✭✭JOL1


    "Musk is a cult of personality, like trump. Believing Musk is like voting for Trump; people completely ignore the past, ignore his promises, ignore his lies, and blindly believe his every word. The amount of positive comments I read online about Musk is crazy. Some people talk like he actually builds cars, rockets, whatever, with his bare hands. Musk invented this or that, blah blah. He surrounds himself with sycophants.

    He constantly pushes this nonsense about Tesla being a technology company because technology is easy to promise and pump."

    Thats one view (everyone can and should form a view) but ultimately the "collective view" is reflected in the share price which is traded in heavy volumes. Undoubtedly a volatile share but the sentiment is overwhelmingly positive and it is not only "gullible" retail investors who hold shares there are large Institutional Investors in their ranks that speak, and continue to speak, with their their wallets.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,860 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Yes, their trade in option is a joke unless you’ve a €500 banger to offload. It has to be costing impacting their market share.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭John arse


    Yeah and funny thing is that you could take a much lesser offer from them(if it was within reason) because they are so much cheaper - if that makes sense?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,803 ✭✭✭893bet


    If trading in a Tesla how bad is their trade in offers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,860 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    It’s the same story, they don’t want them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Jofspring


    Which is mad when you think about it. Surely a demand is there for second hand bought from Tesla and a tidy little profit to be made. If the car is still under warranty they are basically getting money twice for the same car.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,527 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I’ve said this in every piece of feedback they ask me for.
    They need a bigger premise in Dublin and to establish a sound second have car practice with fair trade in deals.

    They need a space for second hand cars and Graham Walker cars is proof of this. He can’t keep teslas on his forecourt. He has the second hand Tesla market wrapped up. People can go to him, trade in and get finance all on a second hand cars, and that’s what people want.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,527 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I have to say, AP and EAP has been flawless for me. I’ve got more phantom braking in the bmw than the Tesla, which I can count on one hand in both cars in fairness.

    whatever about the man, couldn’t care. He don’t come with the cars.

    “Musk is a cult of personality, like trump. Believing Musk is like voting for Trump; people completely ignore the past, ignore his promises, ignore his lies, and blindly believe his every word. The amount of positive comments I read online about Musk is crazy. Some people talk like he actually builds cars, rockets, whatever, with his bare hands. Musk invented this or that, blah blah. He surrounds himself with sycophants.”

    Sounds like people that buy VW, Porsche and Mercedes also forget the past when it comes to buying cars here. That’s life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    I saw Musk spent over 100 million dollars helping Trump get elected and his net worth increased by over 26 billion after he was successful! That is some return on investment.

    He backed the right horse there no doubt and will be able to shape policy to further enrich himself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,833 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    In the case of VW, there's absolutely no link between the wartime company (government owned and run) and the current one. After the war, the British ran the company for four years mostly making light military vehicles for the British Army before handing it over to a trust formed by the west German government and the local province (Saxony?).

    Ironically it was offered to other car companies like Ford and Rootes who all turned it down because they couldn't see it making money.

    I would expect the post war stories of other German (and let's not forget Italian and Japanese) car companies are largely similar. With the possible exception of Porsche, where Ferdinand Porsche was heavily involved in the design and production of the original Volkswagen Beetle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭SchrodingersCat


    Tesla are looking to hire drivers to remotely operate their “Fully Self Driving” robotaxis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,473 ✭✭✭positron


    The quote makes it the title / comment seems to be trying to make something look ridiculous when it's not.

    Because, isn't this exactly what Waymo and other do - have technical support folks on standby who can connect, see all the feeds, speak to passengers and control the car remotely in case something goes wrong, or if passengers call for assistance (like that instance where some folks blocked the road and graffitied a Waymo car, that video is online).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,184 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Yes, currently due to limitations and (I presume) regulations, there has to be tech support on standby. Waymo have this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭SchrodingersCat


    That was the subtitle of the article:

    “Elon Musk's "fully autonomous" cars will, like other robotaxi vehicles, rely on remote human pilots.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,184 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Yes, but putting it in the headline it looks like its trying to make a laugh of FSD.

    FSD isnt perfect but the US version is very competent as an advanced drivers aid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 468 ✭✭rodneytrotter15


    Came across a tweet earlier and never screen shot it. Some lad in a Model 3 Dublin cab with 374,000kms done on it in 2 years and the driver told him it had only 10% battery degradation. Scanning through X now to see if I can find it again. I know someone posted earlier about high mileage EV's and thought it was relevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,002 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,184 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    If he bought that 3 2 years ago, he has more fuel savings to go before he reaches break even point thanks to excessive depreciation due to the incessant price cuts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,803 ✭✭✭893bet



    Maths seems off


    1) 340k in 2 years. 500 km a day. Every day 7 days a week. Surely cost more than 10 per day for starters. Ev charging windows are very small.

    2) The saving against diesel would be way more than 6k per year in fuel (if indeed his 10 a day for charging is accurate).

    if he was managing in a diesel car to get 100km for 5 litres he would be doing very well. Especially with loads of city driving. Likely to be a lot more per 100km. That would have him at a saving of around 9k.

    Vedict. Man maths at play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,210 ✭✭✭wassie


    I wonder how many times he has had the bushes replaced. Ive had 3 sets in 150k.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,527 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    He paid €20k for the car. He has no depreciation to worry about.

    It’s also a PSV, which means his depreciation will be the worse of any consumer and the fuel choice will make no difference.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,527 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I thought it was a 2021 car but could just as easily be a January 2022 car.



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