Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

Well yeah actually it is — it's not perfect but putting them in temporary accomodation around the country is still very much a lot more spread out than herding them all into concentrated blocks the way that was done in Sweden and France.

Whether one agrees with the policy or not — and I think almost everyone agrees it can be improved — it's still not factual to claim that the Swedish experience over several decades can be applied as an identical analogy of the Irish experience in the *checks notes* less than 3 years since the invasion of Ukraine and the global phenomenon of migration bottlenecks opening up post Covid.

With respect I think its naive to suggest that they’re not herded into concentrated blocks as a strategic plan to avoid the mistakes or France or Sweden. It’s because we don’t have the same infrastructure. They’re being herded into disused factories (also a concentrated block) because there is nowhere else to put them. And would you not describe places like Mosney as a concentrated block? That’s been in use since 1999 or 2000 I think

I suppose my issue is the place seems to have gone to the dogs.

Knife crime high in London. Child stabbings that led to riots in the summer.

Grooming gangs and acts of terrorism.

Apart from that I suppose it's okay.

Its amazing how these lads are fleeing and can't get any documentation.

Yet they can afford to organize smugglers to get them through multiple safe countries to get to Ireland.

You would think they would pay the money to get to the closest safe country, but for some reason they pay more to reach Ireland.

I can't understand why anybody would want to do that.

If I was fleeing for my life, I would get to England, why in the name of god would I want to pay thousands more to get to Pakistan.

This looney reasoning again. Their govt won’t give them documents to allow them to leave, but also refuse to take them back.

There is no logic in there at all

I agree on numbers of refugees specifically, but it looks like several European countries have done a terrible job of integrating migrants : herding them in large numbers into manmade ghettos in very deprived areas of cities for example.

You would like to think we would do a much better job of managing integration and social cohesion going forward and not make the obvious mistakes that have occurred elsewhere.

Thats all just clickbait headlines you're throwing out.

YYou could have written the same thing about Ireland, none of which is the foreigners fault. Your posts seem high in generalisations about foreign people?

Can you please start quoting all the scaremongering and hateful rhetoric from today.

I am guessing this will be like when you disappeared when asked for proof of all the posts supporting far right scumbags yesterday.

This post like yesterday's is a blatant attempt to gaslight the whole thread.

If you are going to make accusations, then please call out the posts instead of vague accusations against everyone.

We don't have anywhere to put them that's the problem.

They are going into deprived areas because it is easier to paint the locals as scumbags when they try resist what's going in.

They are not going into posh areas because the people pushing this don't want these people anywhere near themselves.

You said before that there are IPAs centres opening every week and people have no issues with them. But when asked about the claim that IPAs centres are being opened every week you could not back it up

Well, I didn't say it was a strategic plan. It's just the reality of how it has unfolded — but it's still the reality. And it's hardly concentrated on anything close to the scale, even in proportional terms, of actual parallel society neighbourhoods that were allowed to spring up in France and Sweden. Comparing that to a factory full of people, or even Mosney which has around 900ish residents, is a bit of a stretch.

But that's kind of the way these arguments go. Every example — any time, any place — of migration bringing downsides has to be moulded to fit every other time and every other place. In this case, the Swedish experience has to be applied to Ireland, even if the factual distinctions between the two are actually quite different.

70% would be my cut off point of immigrant to native population. We won't get into another ethnicity debate, that's just my acceptable limit. I seem to remember you don't have one

Yes, sort of, couple months back, all thread bans were lifted and a new system was introduced. There's a thread about it at top of Current affairs menu.

The idea was to allow the conversation flow better.

Some fair points made. However the proportionality point is almost disingenuous unless you have pertinent data to back it up? - how is that rhetoric aligned with a smaller community like ballaghadereen?

Those communities may have been allowed to “spring up” in Sweden and France but forward ballaghadereen ahead 20 years, where there are families settled and there is room for expansion and more builds for those more procreational than longer-term residential Irish (evidential point), you’re looking at quite a discrepancy between recent arrivals and long term residents religiously and socially. Numbers and proportionally, the longer-term residents have been displaced as a majority in a very short time - evidently problematic.

Really doesn’t take much thinking outside the box to accommodate any arrivals on a spread out, steady basis by proportion .. communities are far less resistant to a small influx of arrivals, that’s not happening and no one in government gives a you know what.

That does nothing to prove your claim that there’s IPAs centres opening every week