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Ipswich Captain Chose Not to Wear LGBTQ Armband

  • 03-12-2024 10:25AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭


    Interesting how the captain who's the leader of the team chose not to wear this Armband because he's a practicing Muslim but as it's pointed out will represent gambling companies. I know it's a personal choice but isn't the captain supposed to be a role model? Maybe they should have picked someone else for this role.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    He's Muslim so the woke crowd will mostly give him a free pass because, you know, embrace difference and diversity and don't be all colonial in your moral judgements



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Religion is an easy closet for homophobic people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,775 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Bit like James McLean being xenophobic I suppose.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 347 ✭✭Dano650


    His decision not to wear it. People need to respect his believes so I don't know what the big deal is



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    They wouldn't be so kind on a British Christian behaving as such?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,375 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Another Muslim-bashing thread. How tedious.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,530 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    Its very poor coming from a captain. He needs to lead his team. There could be Ipswich players and (certainly) fans from the LGBT+ community. It must be a slap in the face to know that their team's leader doesn't represent them.

    Its similarly cowardly to hide behind religion as his reason for doing so. Why not come out and own it? At the same time, it suggests that he doesn't have much ability to think for himself, just blindly following something he's been taught.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Everyone’s entitled to their opinion or religion, but his views on LGBT matters are utterly irrelevant to his job as a footballer.

    I’m not sure footballers should be pressured to wear symbols like this or the poppy or whatever.
    It also undermines the show of support, if we know that people are forced to wear them - so they don’t actually support that cause.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    If he was a Christian you'd be all over it. Not going to call him homophobic I see.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    My own view is they shouldn't have any of it, poppies, rainbow armbands etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,375 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I don't think anyone should be pressured into wearing any symbols. It degrades the symbols themselves and it undermines personal liberty.

    Thanks for proving my point.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭arctictree


    Its an interesting one. Does a player get to choose the teams kit and what parts not to wear?

    We had a player years ago on our GAA team that refused to wear a jersey with a particular sponsor. He was that good though that he was allowed wear his own jersey.



  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Nobody should be forced to support a cause. It's disappointing he doesn't want to, but he should have the freedom to choose.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,152 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Agree completely. Sport should to be about getting away from life for a few hours and only focus on the match. And a lot of people would consider me "woke" in a lot of situations. Stupid and the most overused word IMO by the way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 347 ✭✭Dano650


    Nothing poor about it. His decision if he wears it or not. Only handful of people are offended by it. Same thing as James McClean doesn't wear the poppy. His choice



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It's against his beliefs, against his religion at a fundamental level, it is something that he may face violence for among his family and community. Hatred of LGBTs is not negotiable for him.

    That's the why. The should, of course he shouldz they were all.. Ultimately teams should just wear team unifomrs and kick the ball back and forth in a repetive spectacle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,530 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    Religion is a bullshit excuse. Gambling is forbidden in Islam, yet he wears a jersey with UNIBET sprayed across the front of it evry week so that excuse falls flat on its face.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,265 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    eh will this not annoy the woke crowd as he’s being anti woke by not wearing the armband?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It might be cowardly to hide behind religion but you are forgetting or ignoring how strident and unequivocal opposition to Lgbt people is in that faith, its a central plank, and something he would hear regularly preached every Friday.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,530 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    His choice but as captain, he really should be leading by example, not just to his teammates but also the club's fans.

    He should be able to overcome his own objections and show a more inclusive side. Again, as a devout Muslim, he should have a problem with gambling but that doesn't seem to be a problem. Look up Frederic Kanoute, he used to wear a blank jersey when he played for a club sponsored by a betting company so its not impossible.

    The poppy comparison is weak. Have members of the LGBT+ murdered Muslims in an official capacity? Can you really not see how they are not comparable?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    So a gay person should respect religious beliefs that don't respect their existence? And I'm not just talking islam here there are plenty of others including Christianity. These things aren't equal that's the big deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,690 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Guehi in the firing line now for a religious message on his armband.

    Of course, it's right and proper that it isn't mandatory for captains to be forced to wear special armbands, laces plus religious messaging is barred from being displayed, but there's obviously an unwritten 'code' at work in sports.....for better or worse.

    Easy solution is to remove all that nonsense and just play what you're being paid to play.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,530 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    Are you sure that this is really the case? Every Friday, his local imam is reinforcing bigotry against the LGBT+ community? Are you certain about that?

    And why such a problem with LGBT+ advocacy but he's not said a word so far abot gambling?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭Cordell


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,375 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Hard to disagree with this. I don't think anyone should be forced to wear symbols that offend their beliefs but it's pretty hypocritical of him to flout Islam's prohibition on gambling by actively promoting it and then drawing the line here.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    So why would this preaching be allowed in a western society? Do you think the LGBTQ community feels safe knowing this.

    My view and I agree with many here, poppies and other political symbols shouldn't be part of sport. If I set the rules I'd do away with it.

    But Ipswich clearly want to support this particular cause. That's their choice. The issue for me is the club captain represents the club and as we see he clearly doesn't share their fundamental values.

    The same would go for McClean. Great player but I wouldn't be making him captain if I was an English club.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It's a much more strident view on gays than gambling. Much more repeated in the Koran and hadith. Much more a social norm.

    You never hear of a believer being killed or jailed by his family community or the State for gambling, where as for being gay...

    Not every Friday, but regular enough, the hostility to gays is a core element. You won't find many imams worldwide who preach that live and let live is the beat approach to lgbt.

    One of the recommended punishments for gambling in that religion is to give to charity. For homosexuality everything from killing to lashing is prescribed. With the killing part the more common demand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Do yourself a favour and speak to a few Muslim immigrant men from the Middle East. I live in a town with Syrian refugees in local hotel for the last 6 or 7 years.

    I often speak to them near their beach side hotel or the local playground.

    Their typical opinions on homosexuality is not something I've ever heard from native Irish people; I was born in 1975 for reference.

    The discussions only ever dealt with male homesexuality; no talk of lesbians or Allah forbid "T+" part of the umbrella group.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I don't know, I suspect that it is because of fear of violent back lash.

    The lgbt community aren't safe from it and shouldn't feel safe from it, that's a bad situations.



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