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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,475 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    W e

    We don't bother finding out who is coming from the UK or the EU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭donaghs


    Canada is very much rolling back the immigration numbers, and similar to the UK now, there’s a consensus that too many people have arrived too quickly. Trudeau playing blame game:

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-says-he-could-have-acted-faster-on-immigration-changes-blames-bad-actors-1.7113445

    Not a new story:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp9z5rpgkyeo.amp

    while Canada does indeed take in many refugees, it look like the process is undergoing a lot of serious scrutiny. I.e. more “refusals”:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/canada-hints-fast-tracking-refugee-refusals-2024-11-26/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,225 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    They are properly checked by the Canadians. I don't believe that they are here. Why would someone destroy their papers on the plane?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    You were going on about the biometric data that follows immigrants who arrive into EU ports sans documents..which is essentially useless compared to the data contained on an Irish passport…

    Which "Anti-immigrant" movement is this? Can you name the group and or political party specifically? Where are their headquarters and website information?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    1.7 million Americans visit Ireland every year. You're going to need more examples than this if you're claiming that US nationals invent fake identities in the same numbers as undocumented asylum seekers from Africa and the Middle East.

    Like, were there any major Gardai operations focused specifically on dismantling fake ID rackets run by US refugees for the US refugee market? Or was that just a Georgian thing?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,475 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Asylum seekers are looking for international protection. They apply at whatever country, in the exact same way they apply in Ireland.

    Its been linked many times why they may not have documents, asylum seekers in Canada can apply without documents too. Ireland is no different to other countries.

    Canadians assess their application, same as we assess out applicants.

    If their application is accepted, they are refugees.

    So, dunno why you think there is some difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,475 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    No I don't. Asylum seekers do not require documents..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    The point is that the AS could have applied for asylum in Italy… UK… got rejected and then somehow finds their way to Canada where the immigration officials will be clueless as to the previous failed applications…



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Incorrect information.

    We do find out who is arriving from the EU. All passengers arriving at our airports pass through immigration control.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,475 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    So? What information do you think that gives us?

    And you realise not everyone entering the country goes through Dublin airport passport control yeah?

    UK citizens don't need a passport at all to enter Ireland.

    So I'll await your apology when I wake to tomorrow



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yes you do if you're responding to the point I made, which was that asylum seekers are more inclined to create false identities than other immigrants.

    I explained why this is the case. I showed you an example of a major police operation specifically targeting this trend. In response, you posted an isolated example of an American using fake passports - we get about 2 million visits from the yanks every year.

    You definitely need more examples if you're arguing that non-asylum seekers from non-EU countries create fake identities in greater or equal numbers to asylum seekers. Is that what you're arguing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,475 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    No I don't. Some people create fake identities. They can be of any nationality or any background.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'm pointing out that you have yet again posted misinformation in relation to the border.

    You stated "we do not bother finding out who is coming from the UK or EU" . It's an incorrect and confused statement.

    We do check arrivals coming from other EU countries. Even Irish people arriving from other EU countries present their passport.

    You are partially correct in regards to the UK - we do not check arrivals coming via the North or often via ferry.

    You don't understand the border. Stop posting misinformation.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    undocumented arrivals are much more inclined to create fake identities than other arrivals. This is basic logic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭2Greyfoxes


    As bad as things are now, just wait till Man made climate change starts to really kick in. A lot of the Middle East and North Africa will become uninhabitable for humans. The populations of the those two regions is close to 600 million.

    Due to the geographical proximity, Europe will be the main destination for those refugees.

    What we are seeing isn't even the start of how bad things are going to become. This century is going to be one for the books!

    Clever word play may win debates, but it doesn't make it true.

    Understanding and explaining things, is not the same as justifying them, if in doubt… please re-read this statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,475 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    It's not misinformation.

    We have no idea who is here from the EU or the UK.

    We have no idea who is living here.

    There is nothing to stop anyone from coming here and doing whatever they want.

    Stop trying to label me as a liar. Those are the facts.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I didn't say you lied. I said you posted misinformation and you don't understand the border.

    You stated very clearly that we don't check "who is coming from the EU". This is very misleading. We request valid ID from all arrivals from that region when they land in the State.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Ireland is behind other countries as it does not have camera and thumbprint scans for those entering at ports .

    Other non EU ?

    Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment.

    Who do you think your absurd questions are childish .

    Post edited by rgossip30 on


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Despite you posting misinformation about border control I'll address another point you are pushing, which is akin to the aul "Irish people commit crimes too" and "economic migrants would be coming anyway so just let them abuse the asylum channel to access work" .

    You're now saying "since EU citizens can live here without a permit, what harm if undocumented lads from Africa and Middle East come in their droves". This is again a disingenuous conflation of two scenarios.

    The EU, in spite of its flaws, has evolved over a long time and is founded on shared values as well as cultural, social, political, and historical ties. EU State bodies engage and cooperate with each other (I've just posted examples of Irish and Spanish police working together, for example), their citizens can live and work here without prior permission and vice-versa.

    We do not have this relationship with Georgia, Nigeria and Pakistan. Their citizens require vetting for good reason. That's why you cannot trot out the "sure EU citizens aren't vetted" line in response to concerns about economic migrants destroying passports.

    I'd also add that it's misleading to claim we don't know what EU citizens are living here. We have strong census data about the EU demographics in Ireland. They have entered legally and their presence is not predicated on concealing their identity. Most EU residents will be working legally or will have engaged with State bodies at some point with their genuine passports. All will have presented a passport upon arrival (either here or in the UK).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Records are kept but not publicly available.

    I wonder why !!

    The majority would be on HAP payments . There are 80,000 Ukrainians believed to be here and 32000 in DP. These have state payments and will cost more billions in housing ,some may be able to pay the rents or buy a house but it's likely a small number .

    Post edited by rgossip30 on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Yet people can come claim asylum and are allowed to remain . Few deportations or transfers considering the numbers coming it's a lack of government will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    " Uk citizens don't need a passport at all to enter Ireland ."

    Ryanair requires passports on all its flights so your blanket statement is not correct .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,475 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    I understand the border perfectly thanks. There are more ways to enter Ireland than Dublin airport.

    If we know exactly who is in this country then you will be able to give the breakdown of those UK and EU citizens here, how many live here,where they live etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,475 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Just made up by you. First you claim over 50% of migrants are on housing support, which was shown to be a lie, your link didn't say anything of the sort.

    Now we're back to the assumptions and 'sure everybody knows ' posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,475 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Ryanair is a private company, they can do whatever they want. Irish and UK citizens don't require passports to travel in the CTA. 'sure everybody knows that ' 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    If anything anti-immigration criminality is probably more dangerous if it's loosely organized around social media groups and less formal structures than in traditional terrorist organizations which can be dealt with under the Offences against the State Act.

    An example of this type of informal organization was clearly described by the undercover crime reporter who infiltrated extremist chat rooms where a former US terrorist, active in the KKK and a neo-Nazi group called 'The Order', who had been sentenced to 40 years for his part in a bombing and murder campaign, was mentoring Irish anti-immigration activists on how to single out and target individual AGS members during 'protests'. (It's also well worth reading the Gript.ru downplaying of this reporting)

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/ex-kkk-grand-dragon-helping-very-extreme-irish-activists-1748656

    The impact of this criminality on policing resources is very real. As just one example here's a report where the Assistant Garda Commissioner for Organised and Serious Crime, talks about the pressure his element of the force is coming under just from providing protections to politicians.

    “The rise of the far right in Ireland is similar to other European countries.

    “We are seeing arson attacks on accommodation for asylum-seekers, we see threats to politicians. It has brought into sharp focus what we saw in Slovakia,” he said, referencing the assassination attempt of Slovakian prime minister Robert Fico, on Wednesday.

    ….

    Mr Kelly said: “Here in Ireland we've had to considerably increase our protection around politicians. That takes a lot of our resourcing.”

    Yet some people who claim to be concerned with security, want to push the false narratives and lies which support and encourage these criminals, including the supposed differences in 'vetting' amongst migrant groups. The same migrant groups we know to be no more criminally inclined than the broader Irish population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,649 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Someone else who doesn’t understand, or want to understand, the difference between the CTA and Schengen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Creating a nice bogeyman for the far left open borders brigade to label anyone who protests against an influx of immigrants into mainly socially deprived areas with strained or non-existent services doesn't it? Through up a few links and excerpts from these links which look like they know what they're talking about.

    When the truth is that the vast majority of Irish people are extremely welcoming of immigrants, and have real concerns about dumping of 1000's of people from the 3rd world into their areas where housing and services are limited..

    But if it makes the brigade sleep better at night to label ordinary people as far right extremists then I'm sure you'll welcome Antifa to counter all these pram pushing far right people…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    What bogeyman? The violence and criminality associated with the anti-immigration movement and it's rhetoric is very real and tangible. Also very real is the impact it is having on already scarce AGS resources.

    An Garda Síochána also continue to assist multi agency operations with the removal of tents and the transportation of international protection applicants to relevant IPAS centres. It is anticipated these operations will continue to take place with a continuous draw on Garda resources. One example of this was the planned operation coordinated by the Southern Region, to house 59 IPAS applicants at Dundrum House Hotel, Co. Tipperary on 13 August 2024. A large protest gathered at the outside of the premises and was managed by local Gardaí, with one member of the public arrested for a public order offence. A total of 85 Gardaí were on duty for the operation, including a Public Order Team, a Protest Removal Team and frontline uniform members.

    Yet some people want to encourage and support this violence by spreading lies, fear and misinformation, even while claiming to be concerned about security. There are already significant resource challenges in AGS, as just one example, here's a report of the number of AGS stations without a single officer assigned.

    https://extra.ie/2024/02/06/news/irish-news/garda-stations-decline-staffing



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    My worry with our immigration policy is the fact that Roderic O'Gorman is enriching a select few hoteliers while at the same time destroying the tourist industries in many towns up and down the country.

    I'm also very alarmed by your revelation that up to 40% of AS/IPAs are illiterate and unable to read or write, it'll be tough for those to find gainful employment.



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