Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

This was my also understanding with the hostels, that you are kicked out each day and have to return in the evening. Particularly bad right now since it's so cold out there. Couples unable to share a room in hostels seems to also be an issue too. Security seems to be an issue. It's not clear if food is put on for the residents staying in the hostels.

On the other hand someone coming here with their documents conveniently "lost" finds themselves in a nice hotel room that they can come and go from whenever they please. Security to keep them safe. Food put on for them 3 times a day.

This is clearly preferential treatment.

The hotel situation is also pretty obviously a better platform to launch oneself into employment and maybe on to the private rental market. Especially if the Irish taxpayer is ready to step up and pay every single step of the way.

It would make A LOT more sense for our Irish homeless in hostels, rough sleepers etc to be rolled into this treatment that we are willing to give to random lads from overseas so that they can also avail of these benefits.

I don't buy excuses about addiction and mental health issues etc as I am sure plenty of the newcomers have their own issues with addiction and mental health and whatnot.

The key difference seems to be that the set of people from overseas are treated in accordance with our "international obligations" while the Irish ones are left to freeze in the streets because apparently we don't feel any obligation towards them.

It's a very unfair system which is made worse with the knowledge that some of those coming here are obviously not genuinely fleeing for their lives.

Those questions have been asked and answered repeatedly.

My biggest concern when it comes to immigration and crime, (especially given that we know there's no causative relationship between being a migrant and criminality) is the arson attacks, riots, violence and threats, harassment of women and children etc committed by those who think they're serving an anti-immigration cause. Not only the harm caused by these crimes themselves, but also the scarce AGS hours and resources that are spend dealing with them.

These concerns also lie with some people's online efforts to spread hate and misinformation, including the false narrative about 'unvetted asylum seekers', which might support or encourage this criminality and violence.

You'd like to think Aontu would win that many alone. We really need an anti current refugee system voice in the Dail. Or even in government. If Aontu had of been in government instead of the greens the term would have been far less destructive regarding immigration. It would be hilarious if Aontu got in before Sinn Fein.

I was AMAZED at this exchange between Michael McNamara and Helen McEntee at a Dail committee.

In fact I was so very amazed at her responses that I thought this was a fake AI generated video 😰

She did very well I thought putting up with it. It was quite a phoney line of questioning really I think given that Ireland has very similar return figures to many other small EU countries under the failed Dublin convention process.

But if you really want to see something amazing, you should see how pro asylum seeker McNamara was just a few years before that. There even some material where he compares IPAs to Jesus and the 1916 martyrs. Funny how his beliefs changed once the EU election was approaching.

The system assumes you come in with a valid travel document.

I came through Geneva airport from the French to Swiss side where the border guards checked my passport and asked about a Swiss speeding fine I'd already paid… So yes there is data attached to the data on the biometric passport…

All the biometric data on illegal immigrants shows is when they arrived at the first EU border check… which could be any one of a number of countries they crossed illegally..

Can people not give their opinions and facts outside of the legal boundaries of this state?

How can you give facts without backing them up with evidence? Opinions are allowed to be challenged.

I'm not sure what your point is? How are your checks coming from Switzerland comparable to somebody arriving as a migrant of one form or another, or a tourist, from say Pakistan?

But again I'm more concerned by the very real threat coming from the violence and criminality of members of the anti-immigration movement, and the AGS resources spent tackling them.

I don't see how people can spread their lies and misinformation, including those about 'unvetted asylum seekers', especially when claiming to be concerned about security and lawfulness.

But it's not just the riots is it? There's the arson attacks, intimidation and violence. The harassment of women and children. Death threats and assaults on politicians.

While some people here mightn't have much empathy towards the victims of these crimes, it's important to remember the huge amount of Garda hours spent dealing with these.

These are hours which could be spent tackling the kind of organised crime you mention, regardless of whether the gang involved are Albanian, or far more likely, Irish.

She did not do well by any stretch of the imagination

She looked unprepared, unknowledgeable, out of her depth and appeared to have no grasp of even basic figures and information she should easily be aware of

It was a total car crash, an embarrassment for her and her party.
The clip went viral because of how excruciatingly bad it was. “Look how much of a useless dummy our Minister for Justice really is”.
It all but confirmed for thousands of people their suspicions that she hadn’t the slightest clue.
Her disregarding any justified criticism under the claims that it was all actually just “misogyny” was laid bare to be nonsense.

She actually did very well…haha what, we have truly entered bizzaro world

Anyone coming here determined to work and improve themselves and the country is welcome imo. Anyone coming here and arriving after destroying their identity papers on the plane should be sent right back.

Canada grades them by having an office in their country and making them apply there. If they have a skill and can add something for the good of Canada they are accepted. If they have no skills or can't add to the betterment of Canada they are refused. They just can't rock up into Canada and hang about the streets, they will be refused entry.

Otherwise I have no problem with immigrants coming in as long as they are not intending to spunge on us, we have enough of our own doing that.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/canada-moves-into-top-5-countries-in-refugee-claims/article_089a0f10-2843-11ef-8a22-8bc79e8ca1c2.html#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20latest%20global%20trends%20report%20released,in%202023%2C%20up%20from%2094%2C000%20the%20year%20before.

Canada received 146,800 new claims in 2023, up from 94,000 the year before. Only four countries were ahead: the U.S. (1.2 million), Germany (329,100), Egypt (183,100) and Spain (163,200).

Every country that is a signatory to the Geneva accepts asylum seekers.

Yes - Genuine ones.

OOh look an American here for decades, under a false identity for decades.

https://www.thejournal.ie/myster-man-cork-passports-identified-6216977-Nov2023/