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Election to be called Fri - predict outcome

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,941 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    The same thing was said for the local and european elections and it turned out to be completely untrue vs how people voted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    How do you mean? All the main parties are pro immigration. People are going to vote for them regardless as they're not going to vote for fringe parties purely for immigration purposes.

    It's definitely not that big an issue.

    But it's 100% a bigger issue than any polls will suggest for my previously stated reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,543 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Oh I know that MM will open the door if it is required.

    I'm just saying he isn't being very politically astute. He should know from 2020 there is very few votes if any, in saying he won't coalesce with SF. He had to give the rotating Taoiseach to FG last time as a price, he will again be in their pocket if he holds to his word this time. Gave himself no leeway.
    If there is nobody in FF annoyed about the handling, then they are truly done as a party that can have a singular identity again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    FF 38 SF 35 FG 29 SD 4 Aontu 3 Labour 3 Greens 2 the rest etc… my non scientific prediction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,941 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Well its obviously not that big an issue if people are happy voting for pro-immigration parties is it? Out of 100+ right wing anti-immigration candidates that stood for the local elections which are far easier for outsiders and new faces to succeed only 5 got in.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    I could be wrong but i think he said the redline between him and SF was only their housing policies? If that is all that is stopping them, then a workaround can be found if the will is there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Re (3), their Housing Plan includes a proposal to establish a State building contractor.

    Don't see it in their manifesto, so maybe quietly dropped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,788 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    They say it's never too late to do the right thing, but the day before the election must be pretty close to being too late. Harris should have had the stones to cut mcgahon loose ages ago

    I'm not sure how it's any different to how current leasehold arrangements work on the face of it. The banks don't seem to have a problem providing mortgages in these circumstances and SF say there shouldn't be an issue with them providing mortgages for their plan.

    Interesting debate this morning on NT. Again 2 government candidates against one opposition but interesting none the less



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The polls are showing the three parties neck and neck.

    Let's remember where we are coming from, in the 2020 general election, SF finished 4 percentage points ahead of FG.

    FF 22.2%, SF 24.5%, FG 20.9%.

    The current poll shows FF 21%, FG 20%, SF 20%.

    All three parties in danger of losing seats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭pureza


    Notwithstanding the peculiar construct of an idea you’ve drawn there about a party’s supposed downfall. that could well out poll all others this time ,let me just say Martin is appealing to the anyone but SF vote out there,the ones not fished if there’s any hint of an SFF

    I would not agree that goldfish pond is empty



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Realistic expectations are what we are talking about, making the incremental changes to make this a better place to live without destroying the very many things that already make it one of the best places to live in the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    Agreed Blanch but the concern for FG is they are trending downwards, and i'm not sure Harris has done enough to change the current trends, and while the polls may have them at 20%, it may be no shock to see them in the 16/18% bracket come Friday. But who knows. FG might pull a rabbit out of the hat at some stage today!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,543 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Martin is appealing to the anyone but SF 

    Any data on that or is it just a feeling?

    I'm not predicting their 'downfall' just the idea that they will ever have a singular identity. That is bound to be hurting internally in FF. if I know anything about FFers. I was raised by 2 and know all the party people locally, some of them really well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Perhaps, but when you delve further into that poll, when the voters were shown their constituency list, it was the vote for SF that dropped to 18%. Remember, the polls for the local elections continually overestimated the Sinn Fein vote as well.

    My prediction is that all three will lose share of the votes, with Sinn Fein dropping the furthest from 2020. It is possible that one or two may gain seats in a larger Dail, but I expect a government to be very difficult to form, and Harris to spend a lot of time talking about taking his young team to the backbenches and playing a longer game for a government to collapse within twelve months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,067 ✭✭✭MFPM


    If you're right, I don't think you are, we'll see strong votes for candidates expressing anti migrant sentiments on Friday.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,655 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Have made a few predictions already but at this stage am sticking with parties finishing FF, SF, and FG in 1,2 and 3 on voteshare.

    In terms of TDs FF on high 40s, FG on low 30s, and SF bang in the middle.

    Gap between FF and FG will be too large for any sort of equal partnership with rotating Taoiseach, and FG will say we're going into opposition.

    FF will have no choice but to climb down on the SF position and try and form an FF/SF coalition with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    And if your prediction is correct, this would surely reflect positively for the Soc Dems who if they could get close to 10 seats would have every opportunity of entering in to a programme for Government. I really hope it is they, and not Labour who are needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,543 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    As pointed out on Clare Bryne there (Michael Lehane I think) you could see a mini to medium collapse in the FG vote tomorrow which changes the game totally and puts MM between a rock and a hard place in forming a government. His no talking to SF could be his undoing as leader. And Harris would be under pressure too IMO.

    Fascinating election tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    All I want to know is who will be the next Minister for Justice?

    Anybody but Mackers will make me happy whatever the outcome for the main parties. Well no, anybody but a SF replacement will make me happy, assuming SF might hold sway that is.

    If SF and FF do coalesce, would SF insist on "their" Minister for Justice"? Hmmm, danger here!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    I can't see the polls predicting the outcome well at all. I just don't see the Kanturk issue changing the minds of many, though I can see from debates why Harris is not likeable. It's more like 'we never elected him Taoiseach' that will affect him imo.

    If FF & SF merged I can't see them getting along. A lot of SF are a bit dumb for these roles.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,762 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I imagine another election would be called before giving SF Justice.

    Couldn't give it to a party that has convicted terrorist TDs, a tendency to issue SLAPPs and an extreme willingness to try settle scores. There's a reason the NI Justice portfolio is issued outside d'Hondt (the DUP would be just as bad on this of course)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭McGrath5


    FF would be giving their voters the middle finger if they went into coalition with SF.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,852 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    If SF and FF do coalesce, would SF insist on "their" Minister for Justice"? Hmmm, danger here!

    Would AGS members be happy working for a SF MOJ given the number of members murdered by the IRA?

    Similarly, would members of the defence forces be content working under a SF MOD given there was never remorse shown for the murder of Pte Patrick Kelly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Has that ever stopped FF from doing such things, no.

    The people who are left voting ff are life long supporters whose identity is tied up with being ff voters.

    The age profile of FF support tells a tale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,543 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If you actually listen to MLMD, I think she is very aware of what the apprehensions are with the electorate. I don't think therefore that they'd put up much of a fight for the MoJ in a first coalition. She will be very aware that there is a strong expectation of having to prove themselves fit to govern.

    It would be my advice to them anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 536 ✭✭✭CONSI


    No chance FF go in with SF…It will be FF/FG and Soc Dems or Labour with a few independents…FG will be happy to have Tanaiste and a few ministerial appointments after a poor election. FF should give the 3rd party housing, lets see if a new voice can change that record, keep health and justice and go back to one finance minister. FG can have some other depts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Still no polling card ffs. It will probably come tomorrow after I have voted, nevertheless I know who I am voting for and will go vote Earlyish. Just use my ID.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,543 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Have you checked you are still on the register?
    My youngest was removed off it for some reason and had to re-register.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭scrabtom


    No, Sinn Fein would want to stay as far away as possible from the Justice portfolio. It's not an area they perform well on with the electorate and they are aware of that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    But eventually it will happen. Whether that's in a few weeks time, 5 years, 25 years, it's going to be a case that AGS and defense force have to come to terms with SF being in government



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