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Irish General Election - Friday, November 29th *Read OP for Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,702 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,199 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    If someone told me back in 2008 when FF were responsible for bringing the IMF here that 16 years later Martin would still be around and aiming for a second shot at being Taoiseach I'd have told them to get professional help.

    But here we are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,208 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Well-known ex-TD in bust-up with a government party is the angle there.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭howiya


    Do we know what the bust-up is about? Not that long ago since O'Connell and the Taoiseach were photographed together at the FG Ard Fheis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,991 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    The more I see and hear from Harris the more I dislike him. Everything about him just seems fake or manufactured. I can't think of one redeemable feature of the man. Like I said last night he is the type of person who would rat out a person or a class just to get a pat on the head from a teacher or someone in authority. Even Varadkar was ok at the start, he spoke out and gave the impression that things could get done under him but Harris doesn't even have that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,751 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Media reports are that FG offered her to run as Vote 2 after Geoghegan, and she wanted to run as equals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,345 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭howiya




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,016 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Does anyone know where to find the locations of all the polling stations?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,751 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Should be on your local Returning Officer's website and possibly in the classifieds bit of your local paper this week too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,802 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Has she made the right call? I'd say she has a better chance gEtting in as an indo than as JG's understudy…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    If you approach the election with a view to punishing the government parties, and there is no alternative government in view, and you vote for independents, you only end up punishing yourself, because the only thing worse than a bad government is no government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    O'Connell got airtime because RTE are pro-FG and wouldn't have on an independent who left them in fury………oh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 324 ✭✭Kiteview


    To get publicity during an election would be my guess…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,345 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    You may have Stockholm syndrome.

    Insanity is doing the same thing over and over....

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Self-harm lies in voting for independents. At least the insane are alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    That's covered in the 2nd last paragraph blanch - We get another election and the Govt realises that the smelly peasants aren't taking it anymore - Nothing like a good kicking to bring one to ones senses eh

    It doesn't have to be independents in fairness - Independent Ireland or Aontu would be fine as well

    They [Govt big 2] have to be told 'The party's over lads, the worm is turning'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 324 ✭✭Kiteview


    Many voters in Weimar Germany thought like that back in the early 30s figuring they’d dump the “same old, same old” mainstream parties in favour of “different” ones, only to discover that “different” didn’t mean a better alternative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,345 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Jaysus. I am voting for Catherine Connolly not Hermann Goring.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 324 ✭✭Kiteview


    Sounds good but if the [govt big two] announce they’ll “take your message onboard” and go into opposition, where’s the government to replace them with any sort of semi-coherent alternative agenda?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 324 ✭✭Kiteview


    A good response but kinda of misses the point that the alternative that people decide to opt for needs to be better than the incumbents.

    Insanity would be opting for a worse alternative because you are fed up with the incumbents and somehow expect that the worse alternative will make things better (which is basically what increasing numbers of people did at the end in Weimar Germany).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,345 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Haven't posted here in ages, but passing by and seriously can't resist this.

    The new Fine Gael/Fianna Fail line (and lets face it you are of that leaning) is the following lads…

    Vote Fine Gael / Fianna Fail because they are better than nothing.

    How motivating.

    Of course another "supporter" has to drag up the image of voting independent in Ireland 2024 is akin to voting German National Socialist party of 1933.

    Fooks sake lads you are desperate.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,208 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    She was not too happy in 2020 at losing out in the GE while running mate Eoghan Harris got in

    According to Wikipedia:

    • EH cost her votes in 2020 because he was housing minister. Then he resigned as TD a year later anyway.
    • KO'C chose not to run in 2021 by-election as relationship with party leadership had 'soured'
    • She'd vocally supported Coveney over Varadkar in the leadership contest
    • Claimed local branch regarded her as a 'parachute' candidate and did not back her.
    • Party chose an ex-Renua defector over her as candidate in 2021, which is pretty odd. So she may have been opposed locally as candidate anyway if she'd chosen to seek the by-election nomination.
    • She'd called out FG executive member Barry Walsh in 2017 for tweeting comments such as 'bitches' in relation to female politicians (including FGers) and he ended up resigning, but this episode may not have endeared her to some in HQ

    Ironically both Coveney and Varadkar are gone now only seven years after that FG leadership contest.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Only catching up with last night's debate and Harris again coming across like a spoiled entitled child - constant heckling of Mary Lou again and the staring at her was just weird and creepy! You don't like her, it was very obvious last week. We get it. In any other situation though he'd be getting a very different response to behaviour like this.

    Mary Lou dodging does her no favours and shows how superficial SF ideas really are but fair play to her agreeing to do this debate, especially (deliberately?) stuck in the middle between the other two who are desperately trying to pretend to be different.

    Michael Martin trying to play the experienced mature statesman again but we saw last time that his only actual goal was to be Taoiseach (and not be the only FF leader who wasn't). When he actually got the post though, he was less than impressive which is an achievement in itself given the half time substitute was a guy more concerned with giving movie quotes and ticking off his bucket list, and he handed the actual running of the country over to a bunch of HSE staffers.

    It's not a great choice really is it? Polls tonight put them all neck and neck, but the 2 lads have it sown up between them as they figured out with Confidence and Supply and outright coalition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    You'd have to be naive to think FG/FF won't be in government for the rest of our collective lives. Sinn fein will shrink into irrelevence once again.

    I think there will be a strong performance for independents/Independent Ireland and Aontu - way beyond what the polls suggest, with Aontu ending up being the FF/FG doormats. Peadar Toibin will get the equivalent to Elon Musks "Department of Government Efficiency" and we will go on to have another 5 years of misery before we rinse and repeat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,345 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Good to have you back Jmayo, what are your thoughts on the polls? You're the expert.

    It seems the latest brainstorming ideas from FFG boyos is to criticise Independents. I see right through it.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    I heard MLMD stumbled when asked where she would cut spending, If **** hit the fan. Where did ff and fg say they would cut spending?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,345 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Martin wouldn't answer the same question this evening on VM1. He talked about some other stuff for a minute...

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Hang on a minute, because I know exactly what woud happen and did happen last time! They would decimate infrastructure expenditure amd borrow as much as they could, they would blow through the rainy day fund, anything... before they would ever address the criminaly wasteful expenditure here. The last thing they would want to touch is their beloved world class welfare state or rates either....

    I understand why it's a very difficult question for them to answer. They can't tell the truth for political reasons and if they did say, well infrastructure spending is slashed, it could be a red line with potential coalition partner , the greens. I'll vote green to try and curb this nonsense... if **** hits the fan, I'd way prefer to see welfare payments cut, than the infrastructure spend in a country with appalling infrastructure

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