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General Irish politics discussion thread

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  • #6362
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,923 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122867313#Comment_122867313

    What will happen if Ukraine weapon supplies are stopped completely?



  • #6363
    Pete_Cavan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,635 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122867265#Comment_122867265

    Apart from our neutrality, we are a small country with a tiny military, there is very little we can give Ukraine in terms of lethal weapons. There are several very big countries with huge militaries who are supporting Ukraine with very advanced weapons which is the reason Ukraine hasn't yet been swallowed whole by Russia. I'm sure the Ukrainians are happy getting the non-lethal stuff from the likes of Ireland so they don't have to be asking for it too from those supplying the weapons.

    SF seem to want those countries who are supporting Ukraine to stop doing so, which would result in the Ukrainians getting decimated. The government parties, and possibly some other opposition parties too, don't want the other countries supporting Ukraine militarily to withdraw their support. If you can't see the difference between the SF position and the government position, there is no helping you.



  • #6364
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,489 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Third TG4 constituency poll, third where SF are sliding on their 2020 result. However they look solid to keep the seat, would need the most implausible transfer patterns around to lose it, basically not getting transfers from anyone and losing most of their second candidates FPV:

    https://x.com/gavreilly/status/1859677725960830982



  • #6365
    scrabtom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭scrabtom


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122867320#Comment_122867320

    The Greens



  • #6366
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,504 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122867248#Comment_122867248

    If you believe stopping weapons going to Ukraine will lead to putler agreeing to a ceasefire then you are deluded. He wants to annex and partition Ukraine and unless he is fought into stopping his genocide of Ukrainer then that is what he will do. It is baffling to me that you as a supporter of SF and Palestine are okay with him doing that.

    Is it really as simple to you as Nato = bad, Nato supports Ukraine therefore Ukraine = bad and Russia = Good?



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  • #6367
    corkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭corkie


    I saw a SM post mentioning the below earlier today. But I didn't have away to verify it. (Did not look for one)

    https://www.businesspost.ie/article/new-polling-shows-three-main-parties-neck-and-neck-as-polling-day-looms/

    Ireland's political cauldron simmers with an indecision that borders on existential crisis, as the nation’s three main parties find themselves trapped in a near-perfect deadlock—Fianna Fáil at 22 per cent, Fine Gael at 21, and Sinn Féin at 20, according to fresh internal polling seen by the 

    Business Post

    'Xitter' Source I came across this article!

    I thought Sinn Féin where suppose to be performing poorly?

    Post edited by corkie on

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • #6368
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,851 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122872643#Comment_122872643

    Well how much store can we set by

    fresh internal polling seen by the Business Post

    But even if we take those figures at face value FFG on a combined 43% should still have little diffculty putting together another government, even if they're a bit short of a majority…



  • #6369
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,489 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122872643#Comment_122872643

    20% when you were on 37%, and are the main opposition to a terrible government is performing poorly. Really, really, really poorly.



  • #6370
    corkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭corkie


    image.png

    Source: - https://bsky.app/profile/irishexaminer.bsky.social/post/3lblcqcjeqw2u | Link to article | Link to tool below!

    https://whichcandidate.ie/

    Had a quick run through to test, seems to be a very effective tool, and I was impressed with the knowledge of candidates views on issues.

    Note:- Irish Examiner are now sharing more content at that source instead of 'Xitter'!

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • #6371
    corkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭corkie


    Warning on the above tool check the list they provide against a notice of poll.

    I found an omission on the Cork South Central list.

    https://twitter.com/WhichCandidate/status/1858637159760359867

    I reported on the above thread and got a reply.

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



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  • #6372
    PommieBast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,993 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122872924#Comment_122872924

    Only answered a few questions and it pretty much put me as a toss-up between Paschal Donohoe (FG) and Ian Smyth (Aontu). Unfortunately I voted for Donohoe last time and trust him about as far as I can p!ss. As for Smyth…



  • #6373
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,672 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122872643#Comment_122872643

    It wouldn't be a huge surprise if SF polled much better than expected. This is exactly how it played out in 2020.



  • #6374
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,889 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122872787#Comment_122872787

    In what way is it a "terrible" government, performing so dreadfully poorly?

    There are a few issues, as there will always be a few issues, but the economy is churning and employment is full. The tools to invest strongly through the next tumultuous 10 years are all in place.

    A centre right government may not suit scroungers and layabouts, but those willing to work and contribute are very well rewarded with a good life and prosperity.

    You may get used to the idea of another 5 years of it anyway, sooner or later.



  • #6375
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,712 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122867265#Comment_122867265

    Anti-mine equipment is to be used to clear mine fields planted by Russian troops retreating. Obviously advancing into a minefield is not a good thing to be doing.

    Worse is retreating through an enemy minefield. Yea, mine detecting equipment is useful in trench warfare.



  • #6376
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,851 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122832027#Comment_122832027

    Sutcliffe has apparently broke it off with II

    https://twitter.com/ciaranmullooly/status/1860376673612337643

    Not sure was it the McGregor links or the ruminations on 'coloured guys' that prompted the breakup…



  • #6377
    corkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭corkie


    image.png

    Source: - https://bsky.app/profile/irishexaminer.bsky.social/post/3lbornuv6ad2o | Link to article.

    The Sunday Independent/Ireland Thinks poll shows that Fine Gael is down four points to 22% of support, with Sinn Féin and Fianna Fáil on 20% each.

    Perhaps worryingly for Fine Gael, the poll was carried out on Thursday and Friday, before a video of an interaction between Taoiseach Simon Harris and a Cork carer in a Kanturk supermarket was widely shared.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/elections-2024/poll-reveals-harris-hop-is-now-history-as-fine-gael-falls-four-points-in-tight-race/a1322692588.html

    ^^ Archive Link!

    Backing up the business post above?

    I know people don't give weight to these polls as they are usually from a survey of limited numbers?

    Edit: - Just for completeness here is how other parties are doing!


    Ireland Thinks poll: Fine Gael 22% (-4) Fianna Fail 20% (-) Sinn Féin 20% (+2) Independents 19% (+3) Aontú 5% (+2) Soc Dems 5% (-1) Labour 4% (-) Greens 3% (-1) PBP/Solidarity 2% (-) ~~ 'Xitter' Source.

    Post edited by corkie on

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • #6378
    pureza
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,888 ✭✭✭pureza


    Another way of looking at these polls is basically 80% don’t like Fine Gael,80%don’t like FF and 80% don’t like SF

    It suggests to me people have no cop on

    Gravitate to one of them please or else how do you expect a country to be governed?



  • #6379
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,923 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122877611#Comment_122877611

    That's not a good way of looking at it, you'd need to look at multiple preferences to make a conclusion like that.



  • #6380
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,942 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122867210#Comment_122867210

    I heard that about Ukraine in the manifesto. You’d hope it was an oversight because if it wasn’t it’s a terrible look for SF. They also seem to have pissed off the polish with something about immigration.



  • #6381
    felonious_Gru
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭felonious_Gru


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122874983#Comment_122874983

    The nature of our economic foundation (FDI) means any half wit ( bar PBP) could run things while American corporations are running full steam, the government has been a collosal failure everywhere else



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  • #6382
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,712 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122877682#Comment_122877682

    That is essentially correct.

    We have a country with a very good infrastructure and services for a country of 3 million inhabitants, with emigration taking the talented young ones leaving in droves. Unfortunately, we have a country of over 5 million, and so we have a huge deficit of services in every department and a massive lack of houses of every type in every location, and still skilled young ones heading for foreign jobs.

    House prices have risen hugely in the last 40 years because no council houses were built in those forty years, and most of the existing stock of council houses was sold off at huge discounts. Any fool could see this as a major problem, but our politicians were not fools because they could see rising house prices are great for house owners, so why change?

    Well, the number of voters that have no house, no access to reasonable rental accommodation, has risen to become a huge political problem. When there was a similar problem in the 1950s, the Gov went wild building all those estates like the ones all over Dublin. [Ballyfermot, Ballymun, Finglas, Tallaght, Walkinstown, Cabra, etc.]

    Why can that not be done now? Well one word covers it. Planning - with politicians objecting to all those housing projects.



  • #6383
    Markus Antonius
    Site Banned Posts: 2,997 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    The so called "Harris hop" exists absolutely nowhere other than Rte's propaganda department. Much in the same way US media claimed the US election race was "neck and neck" and "too close to call". RTE desperately need FF/Fg to win as their careers depend on it.

    Simon Harris is and always has been an awful minister. His record is clear to see to anyone with more than 5 years of memory. I would say the mask slipped in that interaction with the carer, but there is no mask - his shadyness is very clearly on display for everyone to see. Only the biggest clowns would vote FF/FG off the back of that man's conduct.

    And anyone who says "well better than the alternative (i.e sinn fein)" are the biggest problem with this country and the very reason FFFG will be in government for the rest of our lives. Not supporting FFFG does not mean a Sinn Fein government. We need to keep voting independent until there are so many independents that it breaks the poisonous cycle. Only then will we get an alternative party who won't settle for shafting the electorate and pissing the money away.



  • #6384
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,935 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122877611#Comment_122877611

    Sure, the next government is going to involve 1-2 of those parties. However it is also almost certainly going to involve someone else.

    Some of us would rather use our vote to determine the "someone else" part of the coalition.

    The beauty of our voting system and the fact that we don't have single party governments means that this is a perfectly rational way to use our vote and not the sign of someone with "no cop on".



  • #6385
    cute geoge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    I am sad to see my local town badly flooded this weekend ,1st time in up to 100 years there was flooding recorded and entirely preventable .This was not a freak weather event but careless flood prevention by the powers that be. Our national government and relevant ministers have been lobbied for 30 years for the River Feale to be dredged and all that has been achieved is endless OPW Inspector reports and token gestures towards Flood Risk Management along the river ,yet the same tools will be voted back into power it looks like .

    Any one reading this ,please wake up and use your vote wisely ,vote for the canidate in your constituency that has the best change of breaking the current status quo .Here in Kerry it looks like FG might lose a seat but that will probably be taken by FF ,it is just depressing thinking of 5 more years of their inadequate decision making .

    Thanks for reading if you have got this far but i think people deserve change!



  • #6386
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122878199#Comment_122878199

    The only party that promises to address the climate change issues is the Greens.

    The flooding was a 1 in 100 year event, but is likely to become more common, they are the only party thinking of that future.



  • #6387
    cute geoge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122878348#Comment_122878348

    More sickening spin! The river bed has neen left silt up with the last 60 years

    The only reason there was flooding is solely because the river needs to be dredged ,which the greens vindictively appose along with their partners in government who fail to listen to people.



  • #6388
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122878371#Comment_122878371

    Increased flooding is primarily due to climate change. If you don't understand that, then you don't understand the realities.



  • #6389
    cute geoge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122878377#Comment_122878377

    ''you have no business arguying with an idiot because they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience'' springs to mind trying to have a civil discussion here and your rameish.



  • #6390
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,942 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    so Sinn Fein seem have pissed off both Ukraine and polish people living here.



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  • #6391
    Markus Antonius
    Site Banned Posts: 2,997 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122878348#Comment_122878348

    So similar to the famous Simpsons quote - the greens are the cause of and solution to all our environmental problems?

    If ever there was a prize for the greatest self-fulfilling scam, the "green movement" would take top prize.



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