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Kerry Co Op Shares

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,098 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    To do the above the co-op would have to guarantee a profit margin of over 3% of total earnings, glanbia plc did this as part of the 1st joint venture between the co-op and plc, they retained a 40% share in the business...

    The dividend in 2021 was meant to be 14 million payable to the plc but was waved as part of the deal to acquire the remaining 40%, given over 3 billion litres of milk was processed that year, and kerrys milk pool is 1 billion, 7.5 million is a pretty hefty yearly fee to be paying out for 30% of their remaining share in the new venture compared to what glanbia plc where getting at the time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,626 ✭✭✭straight


    Can't see the new venture being very successful. It will have one hand tied behind its back by the PLC.

    Will they be able to sell their own product or go through the PLC?

    Will they be allowed join Ornua?

    Their milk pool is only going one direction. Milk producer group is another risk. They are pissing off alot of milk suppliers and we will take the chance to switch if we are feeling hard done by.

    They will be asking the milk suppliers for a loan but can't give any detail of interest rates or anything.

    Paying Arbitration on quota is a sneaky move and affects their young suppliers more than others. They have no hope without keeping young farmers sweet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,274 ✭✭✭alps


    Ornua was put there through years of levies on producers milk cheques. Surely a shareholding of that coop would require an adequate share up investment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    Not paying on all milk supplied bar what was in fixed price contracts is just pathetic by PLC... apparently another 5-7million on top of the 50million would have paid for all milk supplied... they have no problem spending 600million to buy back shares but won't pay their suppliers full whack for milk... Sad



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,274 ✭✭✭alps


    Not paying suppliers for their full.supply might just be an own goal.

    What happens in 2025 when a supplier has supplied their contracted amount of milk?

    Are they from that point "uncontracted"? Have they fulfilled their side of the contract, therefore free to supply another entity?

    Hypothetically, you could see suppliers leave from July onwards.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,251 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    When you are selling something and you are retaining a minority share holding you set terms and conditions. Effectively Kerry group along with the 50 million loan are lending the buyers of the new entity a second loan which is the value of the remaining 30% of Kerry daries. They are setting a 5% coupan on that loan. It's about as cheap as you will get.

    When you own it you can set any terms or conditions you like the issue is will buyers accept these conditions. I woukd doubt if any T&C for product sakes ate set beyond 2026 when milk contracts run out. However it's not that easy to sell 1.1 bliin Litres of milk. You have limited customers. How much is used by the brands and how much is sold to KG. Finding a customer to replace all or even part of the KG share of the processed milk will not be easy.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,098 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Tirlain could easily process half a billion litres of it, their new plant was built on a forecasted milk supply of 3.6 billion litres, their hoping now they can hold it at 3 billion, we aren't back in 2021 when year on year milk production was climbing at 3% odd precent a year, processing capacities bar Kerry where built thinking this was going to continue for the next few years, every drop of kerrys milk pool is easily absorbable into neighbouring processors without a cent having to be spent on extra facilities



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,626 ✭✭✭straight


    We got a sales brochure in the post. It said something like... This deal will secure the feed mill, shops and factories for the farmers and their future.

    I think the farmer can live fine without all of these moreover the mill and the home store shops. I don't like all this crap trying to cod fellas into the deal and not paying them for all milk supplied like was agreed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,251 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Tirlan is the other side of the country, dose it want the milk can it sell the milk. It record on milk price is no better than Kerry. As well it often sets term and conditions of having to buy feed and fertlizer off them to achieve there maximum price. Kerry for all its flaws dose not mind where you buy your inputs

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    a couple of years ago our milk that we were producing at this time of the year was being transported to Donegal… 6.5hrs truck driver said it used to take him… with motorways and the Adare bypass comin on stream.. distance isnt as much of an issue like it would have been 30years ago…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,098 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    What occurred from 2017 to 2022 that lead to tirlian been such a bad payer with the corner only been turned the past 2 years?

    Kerrys current planned deal is almost a carbon copy of the 1st stage of tirlain as a co-op taking over from the plc, only difference is the entirety of the funds raised to purchase the business came from share sales,with members co-op shares been raided to do this along with pay for processing , present day its well over a billion euro after the last vote...

    What is Kerry co-ops master plan to circumvent having to pay a poor milk price, as servicing debt and funding processing upgrades will gobble up cash



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭degetme


    Bass there's kerry suppliers only 30mins drive to tirlan suppliers and dairygold and tipp coop are even closer. If a few of North cork/limerick and tipp suppliers leave kerry what price will it cost suppliers on a smaller milk pool going forward



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,626 ✭✭✭straight




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭degetme


    They'll be all looking for milk when the older lads stop and no one coming on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    Kerry have pisssed off their suppliers big time and it wont take too much for them to bale ,Kerry mark2 will be left with small supply from.the most isolated areas where it wont pay Dairygold enough to travel to collect it is looking alot like



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    , ,,,

    Post edited by Castlekeeper on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭ginger22


    All this talk of switching to other suppliers, it may not be as simple as people think. I would imagine you don't just rock up with your hands in your pockets. No matter who you wish to supply I would imagine you would be required to share up. After all their existing suppliers had to stump up for the processing facilities day one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭kerry cow


    the producer group is very mute ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭ginger22


    I would imagine they are waiting to see how things pan out. No point in washing your laundry in public.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 oakwork


    When will the strategy for the new entity be provided to us and figures? Looking at the information leaflet that issued there is very little detail in it and I would like to have seen more facts around its future. Hopefully more detail will be forthcoming before the vote so that everyone is properly informed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭kerry cow


    why would any share holder want to hair cut 15% of their shares , which return plc dividends and in time would be worth there full value in plc shares . It’s ridiculous.
    it’s evident from the shiny brochure that the plc want to move away from low value milk processing , but the co op want you to invest .
    Dumb .

    Share holders need to vote No

    Wait ,

    The plc will find another and then the co op will be beached with no reason to exist and liquidate the lot and return everyone their full plc share value ,

    But the plc have no milk contracts to sell , but a worn plants and un competitive stores ,

    So it’s a match in heaven for them together ,

    And the milk suppliers will be left to fill the gap in a shrinking milk pool on heavy west of ireland soils and deteriorating weather patterns .

    Dairying in kerry is looking bleak .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭kerry cow


    why does kerry co op not require the plc to offer in its deal, signed contracts of a fixed milk pool with 10 year contracts signed by the milk pool .

    It’s a basic simple requirement of any business expectation

    If kerry plc are interested in sell their dairy ireland business , then why not sell there assets with happy farmers contracted for the next 10 years ,

    Sort that kerry plc and then I would be happy to be on board .

    But to buy a hard assets and not have a milk supply contract for next 10 years is bad bad business , and just proves what a **** show this is .

    if the plc are 30% in , then sign us all up before you sell us ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    The majority of the Kerry coop shareholders are more interested in the continuing success of Kerry plc and hopefully success for Kerry coop in their future.…

    Post edited by cap.in.hand. on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Hard to imagine any supplier signing a 10 year contract after the last debacle.

    But I agree that dairy in Kerry is on a slippery slope and the PLC realize that also and want out but they also realize that Kerry CoOp are a soft touch due to the fact that they are desperate to have a reason to exist going forward.

    But what is the alternative solution. There isn't any other option for the smaller producer in a remote location.

    The bigger lads and lads nearer to other processors can switch.

    The other way to look at it is, 1 cent a litre for 5 years while it may be galling it won't make or break any of us.

    We survived the last 12 months with a low milk price. In fact the non payment of the leading milk price didn't break us either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭kerry cow


    totally agree , the suppliers in remote areas are the ones that buyers would be least interested in , but that the swings and roundabouts ,

    At the end of the day , I will be surprised if some of the large kerry suppliers will pay 20k to 50 k per annum in to this , and if the east limerick guys don’t transfer to other buyers .
    even killarney is only 40 minutes to mallow .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭popa smurf


    ftm2023 you seem to know what's going on so have a few questions for you, C Share holder here hoping finally we might get our Co Op shares converted to plc and happy enough to leave 15% in new company, So first question so say you have 400 old co op shares so we get 400 new shares in new company, second question do the current milk suppliers get shares in new company and do they buy them or get them for nothing, or is it how much milk supplied or what and can a few large milk suppliers buy in to this easily. I like the idea of the Co Op and the community built around them and still happy to be part of that and if everyone in kerry supported the brands and the stores surely this will work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭ftm2023


    Hi Popa Smurf. Thank you for getting in touch. I’ll try answer to the best of my ability

    1. Yes as far as I know if you have 400 co-op shares now you’ll get the same amount of shares in the new co-op
    2. They haven’t said anything yet about the milk suppliers getting shares but tbh I’d say they definitely will. To be fair it’s the milk suppliers that will be paying off the loan and the fruits of their labour will eventually be buying the final 30% which will all be driving on our investment you’d hope.
    3. I’ve heard rumours about people being able to actually buy shares in this new co-op if they choose to do so but the communication so far from the co-op & the PLC hasn’t been the best 😂😂

    Great that you’re fully behind this JV, it’s the only way to ever get your shares out in a tax efficient manner. There’s fellas here talking about liquidation but we could all bet all our farms that never in a million years would 75% of the milk suppliers vote for a liquidation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    The structure of the shareholders in the Kerry coop (2) I presume will not be the same that's currently in Kerry coop....B or C shareholders will never again have majority shareholding in Kerry coop(2) when the 50% remaining equity is paid.

    Post edited by cap.in.hand. on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭kerry cow


    Lakeland and Dairygold have come out today , warning that plants would have to close if milk pool shrinks ,

    Plenty of scope for us to find new buyers ,

    Suppliers should not be afraid , they need to stop be herded by the scare mongering of the plc who would have nothing to sell but a plant with no milk and kerry co op who would have no reason to exist ,

    It’s all about the plc pulling a couple of 100 million out of the farmers and off they go ,

    Even to lose the 30% down the swannie , they would have more banked , than holding the plants with the west kerry and clare suppliers ,


    The plc are master class at manovering ,

    So suppliers don’t worry , let kerry sign up for the gullotine , you will get your chance to vote with your feet , when other options appear after the dust has settled



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭popa smurf


    Thanks ftm2023 so we don't know yet how Many shares will be issued and will they be ABC and what and how many the milk suppliers are going to get.



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