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Friendship Ending After a Decade; Would Like Feedback

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭Tork


    friendship_issue said

    He's definitely very charming and engaging, as you say. Very intelligent and persuasive. I do find it appealing, to be honest. It probably didn't help that I find him physically attractive too, and would regularly compliment him (and he was very comfortable with that).

    Do you fancy this man? It would partly explain your behaviour through all of this. This paragraph above struck me as being very odd and in my experience, is not how platonic friends talk to each other. What the hell was really going on here? How much of this does your partner know about?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,732 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    Reading your update, I'm just shaking my head.

    He wanted to use your house as a sh*gging pad and you were happy with that???!

    As for the self righteous tripe he wrote in that email, it's absolutely barking.

    I bet if you knew the full story of splitting up with his partner, it'd be very different to his version.

    Post edited by Purple Mountain on

    To thine own self be true



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 friendship_issue


    That was just the nature of how we spoke together; he was very comfortable receiving compliments. I would even compliment him in front of my partner; we were all very open about that. For example, when we went to the gym together, I would have no issue commenting on his physique - and he liked to hear positive comments. I know it probably sounds unusual but that was very normal for us.

    I didn't "fancy" him because he isn't the same sexuality as me, but I did find him physically attractive - two completely different things. I had no romantic interest in him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭Tork


    Even so, it isn't a normal thing to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,697 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    This reads like the OP had a romantic interest in the 'friend', the 'friend' knew this, completely took advantage of it and used the OP. He may have done this to others.

    '…using my real name and making my professional contact details openly available' makes it sound far more along those lines than the OP seems to be stating.

    If it is something along those lines OP, perhaps you could use some of that to leverage getting your money back.

    Otherwise forget and move on. This person is as much your friend as an escort you'd meet on Escort Ireland.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭notAMember


    Ah now, we can all recognize good-looking people whatever their gender or orientation. We're not in the schoolyard, no need to be bashful about recognising it in case gasp someone thinks you're in the closet.

    Very charmismatic people are often also physically attractive no matter their sexual leaning. Marilyn Monroe, Elvis, Tom Cruise, I dunno, heck even Hitler apparently had this magnetism about him. People just like to be around them.

    I wouldn't read into it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,697 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    So he's not the same 'sexuality' as you, but he's sleeping with women on Tinder. So I take it he's straight and you are not?

    So you're flying foreign men in that you've given money to that you find physically attractive, charming and compliment (which they like) but are considering this all just a platonic friendship?

    Am I reading this right?

    Sorry not trying to come across as harsh by the way, just the more I read this the more it sounds like we're really not getting the whole story at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    He sounds like a real charmer for sure, a friend bank-rolling his dental treatment and holiday, ex-fiancee taxi-ing him from the airport, emailing you in such a nasty way. Honestly OP, just forget him. Even if the friendship went on for 10 years - nobody needs that sort of rubbish in their life. An old and wise person told me years ago that we need to 'look after and care for the people who look after and care for us'. The users, manipulators and fair weather friends are not worth wasting your time, energy, or headspace on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,732 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    Op seems to be male also.

    My apologies for assuming you were a woman, OP but my points still stand that you've been taken for a ride.

    To thine own self be true



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,697 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Yep that's what I was thinking alright, OP is a male, finds this foreign 'friend' attractive and charming, totally fallen for him on some level (some of the way the OP writes about the friend in this thread would remind you of a love sick teenager) the 'friend' clearly knows this and has completely taken advantage of him, using him for money and free accommodation overseas to meet Irish women.

    All ended now with what reads like a business email concluding their arrangement.

    Awful stuff really, heart goes out to the OP. Hate seeing good natured people being taken advantage of.

    Take care of yourself OP and cut this parasite out of your life immediately.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,919 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    So just stop, OP. You have chewed it over and considered the situation from every angle, now drop it, let it go, forget him. That's easier said than done, I know (I actually do know) but its over and there is nothing more to be gained from discussing it. If you want to remain friends with the fiancee do so, but not to discuss him, take your friendship in another direction, make him a taboo subject.

    You should seriously consider some counselling, not to discuss that situation, other than to the extent that it has brought out your own attitudes to, and self-valuation of, yourself.

    You have had loads of opinions here and they are all of a similar mindset, no-one at all has said, 'well look at it from his point of view'. You cannot get any further with it here, get on with your life, but be a bit more aware of your own worth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭Tork


    What I meant by this was the OP frequently complimenting this man on his physical attraction. That, like everything else about this so-called friendship, was a bit too much.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 57,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Lending money to friends almost always ends badly.

    That's the main lesson to take from this regardless of anything else for you OP I think. Just don't… if people value you they won't have you pay for everything and then bugger off across the city to some randomer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 friendship_issue


    Lesson learned.

    I'm never financially helping anyone again, let alone a friend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 Maisie


    Hi @friendship_issue are you a gay man? It wasn't clear from your posts whether you're male or female but it was very very clear that you fancy him. Then you mentioned your sexuality. You saw this "connection" as more than he did. He knew you fancied him and took advantage.

    However he was up front about it. He told you he was coming to Dublin to sleep with women. You felt like you had bought his time and owed you something. He didn't. Not really. You did voluntarily offer to bring him on an all expenses paid trip. Now, of course any decent person would thank you but decline. He took you up on the offer but didn't know that the deal was that you were buying his time.

    Having 4 major bust ups in the space of a week and a half must have been uncomfortable. He wasn't a particularly gracious house guest, but if his host kept arguing with him then I can understand why someone like him would avoid being in your company. Easy to blame you than look to his own behaviour.

    Although I think you both hold some blame here.

    He's clearly a very charming and very manipulative person. His relationship with his fiancée ended. He was so heartbroken he had to go to a different country and sleep on a friend's couch and then be brought to Ireland to sleep around to get over her....

    And yet she's the one collecting him from the airport!!!

    You need to cut all contact now. All contact. You're down a few quid but you've learned a valuable lesson. Do not contact him again. Do not contact his fiancée. What they do from this point on is not your concern. You got burned and were taken advantage of. But keep your dignity now and don't go chasing this. No good will come of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭SineadSpears


    Think the poster is male. They mentioned the gym so I think the compliments may have been from a fitness perspective.

    Can you break that down sloooowly please



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 friendship_issue


    Yes, I am.

    No, I didn't "fancy" him. To fancy someone is to actively want them physically. It's one thing to appreciate someone's physical body without necessarily craving sexual intimacy or a romantic relationship.

    As for the 4 "significant outbursts", I can clarify each. 2 of those were related to the last night (1 the night before when he told me he'd be arriving at 5am and "we can have a quick coffee and say bye :)". My response to that was to say my partner would let him in and he needs to get the hell out of my apartment. Then I blocked him. The 2nd of those was the last 5am argument where I expressed my beliefs in strong language.

    The other 2 were my initial concerns which I expressed on the Tuesday, as he spent 5 days either wanting time with other women or actively minimizing the amount of time with me and my partner.

    The first was on the Friday, and wasn't even an "outburst". I went to bed at 11pm and wanted to know when he was going to be home (or if he would be home) as I had to let him in. As it turned out I had to get out of bed at 1.15am to let him in. He wasn't happy that I wanted to know when to let him in, claiming that I was trying to be "a bitch".

    So they were the "significant outbursts". Whether you still believe I'm mostly responsible, I don't know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 707 ✭✭✭HazeDoll


    You deny fancying him but you need to think about why you are reacting this way. This is definitely more than a simple friendship from your perspective. He has behaved badly, he's a chancer and a deadbeat, you're lucky to be rid of him. We would all be annoyed but most people would just cut contact and get on with things. But you want to continue contact, indirectly or directly. Why is that?

    This is what you have told us: "He's a very attractive man… I gave him a load of money …. I'm furious that he's spending time with women instead of with me."

    This reads like a story of unrequited lust. Don't answer here, but ask yourself if you, deep down, hoped there would be something between you.

    Whatever the answer, forget about him. Take a long look at your partner, do something nice together and try to remember why you like him so much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 Maisie


    I don't think I said you're "mostly" responsible. But you are 100% responsible for your own actions and reactions. Yes, you were provoked, but you also had choices. You tried to control another adult and that is never going to work for you.

    I think you are playing word gymnastics here to avoid the real issue. You liked him. You found him attractive. Even knowing he's not gay you probably had a little fantasy of him realising how great you are and giving you the attention you were looking for from him. Maybe not a physical relationship but definitely an intimate emotional relationship. He wasn't interested. And you're upset over that now and still looking for something from him, anything.

    He's either a really really crappy friend to everyone in general, or he sensed something from you and tried to make it clear that he was not interested in anything with you. He should not have accepted your offer to come over and stay. But maybe you insisted? He still should have said no, but when he got here he made it clear that he did not want to hang out with you, and maybe give you the wrong impression, he made it clear that his interest is women and women only.

    He's gone. You need to move on. It's ok to feel a bit aggrieved and to mourn the loss of the friendship you felt you had but this has definitely run it's course. There's no going back and nothing to be gained from pursuing him for answers or an apology. If anything, in his mind, you became jealous and possessive and he's not interested. Also by cutting all contact with you he can now conveniently forget the money he owes you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    Look OP, You can stay in a denial, but for most people reading your posts it's obvious you do fancy him.

    First it was a classic romance scam as Dial Hard called it. Instead of accepting it as such and cutting your losses, you contacted him after 3 years and asked for more. At that point he knew he had you all on his terms, like taking your money and providing very little in return. I bet when visiting him you paid for everything. Compensating people pay even twice more than is needed…

    He is a master manipulator. He played into needing to be around "a feminine energy", which probably is your inclination, so You thought about yourself, while he wriggled himself out, when already in your place, as wanting women from tinder. You were embarrassed that you thought about yourself and buried this need even deeper. "How silly you were, how would you think that this "Gift from GOD", would have thought about you". That's how manipulators act. Anyone honest would say from the very beginning, they need to be around women, not "feminine energy". But then you wouldn't invite him so willingly.

    The first step to conquering any addiction is to see it. Denial plays tricks with our head, so we can't solve obvious for anyone else problem. It hurts only you, no one else.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 friendship_issue


    He's a very attractive man… I gave him a load of money …. I'm furious that he's spending time with women instead of with me."

    This is a false characterization.

    I wasn't furious that he was spending time with women, I openly encouraged him to meet women. I wasn't upset that he met that girl at the weekend, I was specifically upset that he decided to arrive back at 5am rather than the evening before. 99% of people would spend time with the person that hosted and financed a trip - as a gesture of gratitude, at the very least.

    Put another way, I would have been equally as angry had he arrived back at 5am after going out with a bunch of lads having beers till early morning.

    Romance has nothing to do with it, however much it's being crowbarred into the narrative. The fact that I believe he looks good is an incidental finding.

    Second to that, I did email him this afternoon in the hope that things can get back on track. If things do, it'll be on a basis of no more money etc. I know he was wrong to arrive at 5am, but I now believe I was too insulting (I said some very hurtful things, which even led him to warn me that he could beat me up, so 'be angry, but don't cross the line'). Had I had a more controlled response, we would have parted on good terms and things wouldn't have entered the s*** that otherwise ensued. In other words, I agree with the poster shortly above that I bear some responsibility too (though so does he, of course).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Youll come across as very naive and desperate by emailing him again. You'll get taken advantage of.

    Are you in love with this man? Or infatuated in some way? You'll have to stop that, he is straight and whatever you want to happen, even subconsciously, will not happen.

    I can't think of any reason you'd behave the way you did and still are apart from being in love with him. You need friends or a relationship in Ireland to forget about him.

    It's clear as day to anybody reading this what's going on with you, I think that's where you need to look before looking at his actions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 friendship_issue


    Just to put this in context, my partner and I met him in June for 2-3 days - and just a few hours each day.

    Other than that, we exchanged just 1 message between then and November when the split happened.

    If I were "in love", the above structure wouldn't exist. This isn't infatuation, no matter how many times it's portrayed as such.

    Am I needy in friendships moreso than the average person? Yes, I most likely am - and it's not a good trait.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Are you still with this partner?

    I really don't get why you're pursuing this Faroe Island guys friendship at all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 friendship_issue


    Yes, I am.

    I'm pursuing it because I think there is value to it. Ultimately he never asked for the dental money or me funding the trip, I did that out of my own volition. The problem is that I shouldn't feel the need to help out in the way that I have, as it has only led me to stress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 707 ✭✭✭HazeDoll


    Sorry OP, if you emailed him again looking to maintain contact you are 100% responsible the next time he treats you badly.

    You're going to keep putting your fingers into that electric socket and crying when you get a shock. Your friends or partner will not have much sympathy if you keep setting yourself up like this. You say you don't have any deeper feelings for him and that just makes today's email even less logical. At least a bit of good oldfashioned lust goes some of the way to explaining your need to keep him in your life. Take that out of the equation and you're just starting to look like a tragic figure who would rather be abused than ignored.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭ziggyman17


    You lent money to a stranger that you never met, that there tells me all I need to know,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    I honestly think talking to a counsellor or therapist would help you out. It's not healthy to crave his attention the way you are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,608 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    You e mailed him today? What do expect to be the outcome of this? You need to move on this guy has treated you appallingly and you reach out again. Sorry OP but you need to let this guy go and put him behind you. I actually think it might be worth considering professional help. You seem a little obsessed with being in contact with someone who has taken complete advantage of you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 friendship_issue


    My thinking is one of two things - either nothing, in which case I lost nothing by trying, or something - and if so, with the caveats of no more money to be paid to him and agreeing a plan for him to pay me back what's owed.

    If he agrees, then I don't see what could be wrong with that.

    It's probably very, very unlikely but as I say, after admitting my wrongdoing in the email, it may be enough to persuade him that it's possible for things to be mended over time.



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