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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,604 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    They won't have to do it. No country will arrest Nethanyu that has a friendly relationship with America. Nethanyu will probably avoid travelling to places like the UK and Germany who would then be put in an awkward situation. Starmer, the slippery worm, said he doesn't deal in hypotheticals when asked if Britain would arrest either Gallant or Nethanyu . He'd be very forthright in his views if he was asked the same question about Putin. As you say the most realistic prospect of ever seeing Bibi behind bars is over the corruption charges in Israel- even then he will probably cut a deal to get immunity from those charges.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Can’t see it happening but jettisoning the war criminals would be a fantastic opportunity for the US to get the Israeli monkey of it’s shoulder.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,464 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Called it -

    "The Israeli prime minister’s office condemned the ICC’s decision as “antisemitic”, while Hamas said the warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant have set an "important historical precedent".

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly2exvx944o



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Just a shame they never had a JFK type to vote for, instead they have ended up with Trump instead. Not out of realm of possibility that he may end up even worse than Biden on this issue.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,313 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's baffling to me that the US are prepared to shred their international reputation in order to back Israel. It's a toxic relationship, with Israel being the violent, abusive, drug taking partner.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    The Israeli regime might distance themselves from convictions in that way but the state will be forever stamped in the minds of people with horrific war crimes and crimes against humanity. The blood on their hands will never wash away



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I can imagine Netenyahu, and the current Israeli regime, due to their arrogance, arranging a visit or two to US vassal states to “prove” the meaningless of the international rule of law.
    It would be a huge political dilemma for Germany to arrest Netenyahu also.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭TokTik


    How does this ruling affect those providing Netenyahu with the weapons to enact these war crimes and crimes against humanity??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Unfortunately we have seen individuals, companies and states being easily rehabilitated even after horrific crimes.
    New BBC and Netflix series on the holocaust and suffering of the Jewish people are already in the works. The rehabilitation has already begun, even as the killing continues.
    it isn’t a coincidence

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,967 ✭✭✭buried


    How is it baffling? They've shredded their international reputation for quite a while now, or have you forgotten the reams of despicable criminal actions they have been the architect of this century alone

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,820 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The IDF are allowing the complete breakdown of law and order. They are getting the Palestinians themselves to their dirt work.
    Civilians will starve whilst Israel looks the other way.

    Notable that the ICC charges include "starvation".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    The whole of EU (and the UK) have ratified ICC afaik and I think almost all would abide by it. Our countries do try generally to be good global citizens and keep agreements at international level.

    The only EU country at present that might allow a visit by Netanyahu after this and refuse to enforce the warrant would be (I suspect, just a hunch given kind of government they have) Hungary.

    In practice I expect Germany and the others just won't let him into the country at all.

    Given the kind of leader Netanyahu is, it is possible either he or his US friends (the Trump admin.) will try to force the issue down the line and inflict his presence on one of their "allies", but I don't think it will work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,313 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's a very good question. Many international lawyers would argue that any country that sends weapons to a war crimes suspect after this evening is deeply complicit in war crimes themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,820 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The Israeli regime is fully complicit with the war crime indictments.
    They may try and distance themselves but as of today, regardless of the outcome of the ICC case, this stain will never wash off Israel.

    Post edited by dmcdona on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,820 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Good points.

    But if Gallant or Netanyahu are not arrested in any other signatory (that they see as "friendly" and do in fact enter) it would make a mockery of the ICC and probably the ICJ.

    If those courts collapse, then it would be open season for any terrorist state knowing there'd be no consequences.

    Given the scale of the Israeli genocide and their multiple war crimes, public opinion in favour of Israel facing justice is high, I'd imagine.

    Ireland has a very strong relationship with the US. If Netanyahu landed here, he would be arrested. If he wasn't, I'd imagine the days of that particular Irish government would be severely numbered.

    Of course, this is speculation. We'll just have to wait and see. I think an Israeli cell for a few months or so is more likely. Though the ICC warrant will remain until he is tried or is dead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,820 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Next - the ICC is Hamas and is perpetuating a pogrom…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,150 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I just saw that on the News. The leader of the Middle East's ''only Democracy'' has a warrant out for his arrest for war crimes and attempting to starve children to death. What a feckin come down for this sc***ag and his defence minister who have been waging a War Against Children for 13 months. Brilliant news.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,820 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    @toktik - Very good question on aiding and abetting that deserves a bit of research…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,464 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Nothing new. In the 1970's\80's they backed a plethora of dictatorships in Latin America, waged an illegal war on the leftist government of Nicaragua. They supported Apartheid South Africa and apartheid Rhodesia (as it was called then) from the 1960's on. These are the people who organised a coup against Irans democratic regime, did the same in Chile, who bombed Cambodia "back to the stone age". They backed Suharto in Indonesia when he carried a genocide out against leftists, supplied arms to Pakistan when it was attempting a genocide in the fledgeling Bangladesh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,820 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The irony of an Israeli Prime Minister indicted for war crimes is indeed palpable.


    For those following this since the start and have seen Israeli actions escalate day by day, there must be a sense of justice possibly not being too far away.

    But we have seen so many abhorrent actions by the IDF over the last 13 months - they've killed children, women, nuns and even sheep - they even killed their own surrendering hostages. They've turned Gaza into dust. They are starving anyone left. They killed journalists by the dozen and even today, will not allow the press into Gaza to expose Israeli atrocities.

    But if all that wasn't enough, they've now started on Lebanon. Hard to know where that will end up.

    It would be interesting to hear the take on today's news by pro Israelis.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,604 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Some of these gangs are suspected of being linked to foreign Islamists like ISIS. So, as we have seen in Syria, when it furthers Israeli objectives they don't actually mind helping out Islamists. So it seems not all jihadists are bad afterall



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,604 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    This is clear anti-semitism from you tayto lover. Israel is only defending itself- therefore it's allowed to commit various war crimes- the rules are only for the bad guys to adhere to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,820 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Indeed. The hasbara of "existential threat" are proven hollow.

    The point has been made that Israel is responsible for the aid getting to those who need it - not just simply allowing it into Gaza. As the Occupier, they have legal responsibilities.

    The ICJ and ICC evidence books continue to grow by the day…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,967 ✭✭✭buried


    This is hilarious. All we hear about these days is "international law" and "international obligations" . Next time some virtue signalling neo-liberal f**kwit starts rabbiting on about "international law" and "international obligations" point them in the direction of the United States of America, the de-facto global homogenous hegemon imperator, and show how she adheres to the rule of "international law". The actual architect of virtue signalling neo-liberalism doesn't give a flying f**k about it.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    The pro Israeli contingent must be waiting to be informed as to how they should respond. Maybe revert all the way back to ten fictional decapitated babies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    And more and more people are waking up this fact.

    The period since 1991, nearly a quarter of a century. The US was the lone superpower. It straddled the world like a colossus. Instead of capitalising on its power, cutting its bloated defence budget and investing in infrastructure, health, education, it squandered trillions of dollars and thousands of lives on failed wars, many at the behest of Israel.
    This period will be a study in diplomatic failure.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    So it was. Not sure how I forgot that seeing as Biden saw it with his own eyes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,766 ✭✭✭threeball


    I'd love to see it. But does anyone really want that beef with the US, especially one with the orange turd at the helm.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    A nice big dollop of hypocrisy and mafia like behaviour from Lindsey Graham. Contrast what he said between putin and netanyahu

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    I can’t post links so I’ll quote some of it below

    -The ICC is a rogue and politically motivated organization that is trampling on the very concept of the rule of law. I made it abundantly clear that I believe this entire process is an abuse of the Rome Statute.

    -I am confident that President Trump understands that the Court’s actions against Israel sets the foundation for the ICC to come after the United States one day. We must respond forcefully to the Court for our own good.

    -Any nation or organization that aids or abets this outrage should expect to meet firm resistance from the United States, and I look forward to working with President Trump, his team, and my colleagues in Congress to come up with a powerful response.

    -The International Corrupt Criminal Court has acted in the most absurd and irresponsible manner

    -The Court is a dangerous joke. It is now time for the U.S. Senate to act and sanction this irresponsible body.

    -Senator Schumer needs to pass the bipartisan legislation that came from the House sanctioning the Court for such an outrage and President Biden needs to sign it.

    Bully boy Cs



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