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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 682 ✭✭✭Fr D Maugire


    Why are you comparing Israel to GB? That is a complete logic failure. Irish people were not the inhabitants of mainland Britain and were not dispossessed by British settlers to create a British State on that island. Northern Ireland on the other hand is a different story(as was pre-independence Ireland), and was the mantra of the IRA not 'Brits out'. How different is that from what Hamas want? Not saying they are correct, just pointing out the fallacy in your argument. The IRA set off plenty of bombs in mainland Britain and almost killed Thatcher, yet they never resorted to bombing the crap out of Republican areas in NI in response or attacking the Republic. Israel, like NI is a contested piece of land, mainland Britain was irrelevant to the IRA because it was never their land. So of course it makes sense to compare Israel to NI or Pre-1920s Ireland or Algeria or any country where the native population had been sidelined or kept under the boot of outsiders.

    Until there is some recognition that the Arabs of Palestine were effectively shafted by the British, French, Zionism and the UN to create Israel, the cycle of violence is unlikely to stop and that is something the Israelis have always known and been willing to live with. It was predicted to be like this before mandatory Palestine was evet created over 100 years ago, and is a testament to the stupidity of those in power that they ignored those warning for their own personal interests, and we are still seeing the results over 100 years later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,413 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    They're not, they're refuting the comparisons you see here again and again.

    Literally from the post you quoted;

    'You are not comparing like with like on so many fronts and the mere fact that you are attempting to compare the two shows just how little you know about Israel/Palestine and NI. '



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 682 ✭✭✭Fr D Maugire


    I think it shows the poster doesn't have a clue themselves if they are comparing Israel with GB. That is all. Israel is comparable with NI in that it is a contested piece of land where one side feels they were shafted. Note the reference to Southeners abandoning them, a common enough refrain from Nationalists, so even the poster seems to understand that idea of being sidelined much like the Arabs were. The IRA bombing places in NI is like Hamas attacking Israel. One group wanted the Brits out and the other group wants the Zionists out. Its pretty clear the comparisons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    A nationalist from the North in their 40s, so an adult , for what 1 or 2 years of the Troubles, is more familiar with the IRA and the Troubles than any Republican in the South, barstool blah, blah, blah.
    Was in school during the Troubles but knows more about the IRA and Troubles than southern “tough guys” who abandoned the north when it counted. Sure Taratee, you know way more about the IRA and the troubles than southern republicans like Thomas Slab Murphy and the like.

    He begins his dismissal of other people’s knowledge of the Israeli/Pslestinian conflict by using Hamas and Palestine interchangeably, stating they are opposed to the two state solution despite the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas’s being in favour of it.
    Proximity is not knowledge.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,169 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    They have no chance in a creche, school or hospital anyway. Not a snowballs chance in Hell of them being safe in any of those.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Absolutely this - Taratee's post starts with "Palestine/Hamas", and also mentions giving Hamas "more land". He/she equates them as one and the same. While holding that opinion it wouldn't be a big leap to believe Palestinian civilians are fair game…

    Still, this tough guy/girl justifying ethnic cleansing from a barstool (whatever that means) is, imo, a hypocritical pov from a self proclaimed Irish Nationalist.

    Plenty defended (and still do) the murders carried out by British security forces in NI. The civilians murdered in Bloody Sunday and Ballymurphy were all IRA combatants according to the British at the time. Many still don't accept that the B army would shoot innocent people, despite all evidence.

    Multiply that devastation over and over again, 4,000+ times, and you will start to get close to the devastation felt by ordinary people in Gaza, and the same lies that are being told to justify it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭TokTik


    The main protagonists are USA. Always have been and always will be. They can’t help themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,675 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Well I'm 20 years older than @taratee so I grew up right through the very worst of the troubles, and I've been saying the same thing as that poster for a year now. The IRA never promised to destroy Britain, never attacked a music concert, killing thousands, never launched thousands of rockets at British cities etc etc - the list of Hamas tactics that the IRA never did, nor even threatened to do, to the British is loooong.

    The truth is that you hate Israel, which you're entitled to do, and want to use the nationalist community in Northern Ireland to "justify that in your own yes - which you're not entitled to do, or at any rate, others are entitled to call you out on your lack of understanding of the same, when you try it.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,675 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Thomas Slab Murphy? The diesel launderer guy? Yeah, he's the very man I'd be taking lessons from. Not someone with any personal agenda at all.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    The far left are so blinded by stupidity it’s incredible

    @kravmaga made good points that are exactly on the subject of starting WW3

    and to further strengthen his point the favourite dictator of the far left launched an ICBM today into the country he has been waging an imperial war of colonial conquest against for three years (and yet the far left cheer for him)


    Every single left leaning person who in this thread (rightfully) cries about Israeli excesses while simultaneously in parallel threads cheers for Russia and Iran and North Korea is a fracking hypocrite who expose themselves to ridicule



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I don't think it is the left leaning folks that support Putin. Ireland is left leaning and is against both Israel and Russia. If you look at America, the group that is more likely to want a deal to be made with and to the benefit of Putin is the Right Wing Republicans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    There are deplorables on the far right too, we sure as hell have a few of those in those country too, some even running in upcoming elections where I hope they get trounced just as loudly as the locals

    But the posters higher up the page are very much on the left often posting in SF threads whose manifesto now includes cutting aid to Ukraine and hence helping Putin win his colonial war of conquest (which is also what Corbyn called for in UK yesterday)

    2024 and we have mainstream Left parties actively running on platforms that would help authoritarian dictators gain colonies, one couldn’t make this **** up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I think you will find Trump a very much Right Wing politician , not even far right, has been threatening the same, indicating he may lessen the support for Ukraine. The Israelis are also going to be gobbling up land soon enough and we have posters of both left and right wing persuasion here not objecting to that. The Israel/Palestine conflict cannot be narrowed down to simply left vs right or far left vs far right.

    That is a simplified Americanised view of the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Whatever Hamas/IRA/ISIS/ETA/UVF do does not justify ethnic cleansing of civilians by the country being attacked. Civilians are not terrorists or combatants. It does not justify blockading food. You will never convince me that it does, and I would suspect the majority of Irish people. I find it impossible that you don't understand this.

    And despite the nonsense of your position, the only logical conclusion you can jump to is that people who believe this hate Israel?

    It's far more likely that it is your hatred of a certain religion allows you to perform the mental gymnastics needed in your head to justify the slaughter of innocents.

    Post edited by Miniegg on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    So as usual whataboutery as a response? Shocking /s


    Trump is a deplorable dipshit (if you read my posts I regularly post against him) and there is nothing I can do about him as I can’t vote in US

    Sinn Fein are our local deplorables and I very much can and will vote in our elections



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    We are talking about right left politics. You brought up Russia. You are as much engaged in whataboutery as I am then. I'm not a SF supporter , but all mainstream parties here are against what Israel is doing so I'm not sure why posters bring up left vs Right politics in an Israel thread. They can go to a Russia thread if they want to make that point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    This is a thread about starting WW3

    This morning Russia launched an ICBM (minus nuclear warhead) and the largest Left wing party here came out in their manifesto in support of Russian colonial war in upcoming elections here

    My reply was aimed at left wingers who attacked @kravmaga s excellent post which rightly pointed at the elephant in the room

    It is the height of hypocrisy to be moaning about Israeli colonialism (which is a serious issue that has several threads here) while openly supporting Russian colonialism

    In a country that spent 800 years as a colony

    And before you bring up Trump again, I equally despise far right and far left politics here, in Europe and US especially the hypocrites



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    I dont know or care much about right or left, but I'd aree with you - not sure how you could think Israel is wrong and not Russia. Most Irish political parties (that I know of) hold that view. Where do you see Irish parties supporting Russian colonialism?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Few posts higher up is IT article about SF manifesto calling to stopping aid to Ukraine (but no mention of Iran, North Korea, India, China doing same) which is the only thing preventing Russia from expanding their new colonies they occupy

    If one of the larger parties here put on their manifesto that all aid to Palestinians needs to be cut there be a (rightful) outrage and scandal here

    Post edited by j62 on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Do you agree that individuals have a better understanding of events solely based on where and when they spent their childhood?

    Did my grandmother who was a British subject, living in Ireland in WW1 have a better understanding of the war than a soldier fighting in the war or a historian who specialises in World War One history? I would argue not.


    Then of course you assume the role as the sole arbiter of “truth” My condemnation of Israel for killing thousands of children, raping doctors to death can only be explained by my hatred of Israel.

    Of course, when Israeli sycophants can’t defend the actions of Israeli they inevitably cry antisemitism at anyone disgusted by Israeli actions

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Do you remember the footage of the woman who was shot in the head walking across the street holding her child's hand? Maybe she didn't actually need to be shot that day at that time.

    Do you remember the little girl in the car surrounded by her dead family who made the call to emergency services, only for the ambulance coming to try to save her be blown up by the IDF? Perhaps they could have waited to blow up the medical people until the next day

    Do you remember those prisoners who were gang raped in the detention centre? That might not actually have been necessary. Perhaps though you have some strategic insight into the benefits to humankind of doing it though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,723 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    People have seen through the hypocrisy of western countries who recently took part in two illegal invasions and are still occupying other countries, condemning the illegal invasion and occupation of another country.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    You shouldn’t have any trouble then giving examples to back up your nonsense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,866 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    ICC have issued arrest warrants for Gallant and Netanyahu.


    The International Criminal Court in The Hague said that it had issued warrants for the arrest of Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and its former defence minister Yoav Gallant and Hamas military chief Mohammed Diab Ibrahim Al-Masri (also known as Mohammed Deif).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    About time, i think that UN meeting was the last straw myself

    That speech by the Palestinian representative was emotional for anyone.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,838 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Very Brave of them to that after the brazen threats from the US promising to go after them and their families.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    What about the West not putting one sanction on Israel. Ridiculous double standards.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    The Biden Whitehouse now supports a war criminal. That's the reality of it.



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