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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭taratee


    No, the purpose of this war is very clear. The last thing Israel wanted was this war. If October 7th didn't happen, this war wouldn't have happened. There is little doubt about that. No October 7th, means no war and those civilians would be alive also.

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,339 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    But it was far from inevitable that Netanyahu would respond in the way he did. He had plenty of options if his aim was to get revenge on Hamas. A year long genocidal war of annihilation against the people of Gaza was only one option, he could have chosen to go in several different directions - he very much went for the 'extreme' or even totally unhinged response of all out chaos and destruction in retaliation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,875 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    On the contrary - Israel has been itching for this war for a long long time. Without it, they could not complete their goal - From the River to the Sea. In fact, this is why Hamas responded the way they did to all the recent land-grabs in the West Bank (details posted here previously).

    October 7th gave Israel the perfect excuse to ethnically cleanse Gaza. Northern Gaza is already being cleared for Settlers to move in - I posted details of the event kickstarting this. It was headed by Ben-Gvir.

    As I've said before - read what Smotrich, Ben-Gvir, Netyanhu and Herzog say - it is the truth, they mean it.

    Oh, and its not a war - its a Genocide.

    By the way, I note you still didn't answer my query on your assertion that the IDF always issue warnings prior to their attacks. The IDF do not always issue warnings - they commit their crimes at will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,875 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    It's outrageous that anyone attacks UNIFIL. It is a peacekeeping mission. I'm sure most will agree though some pro Israelis were nonchalant when Irish positions came under attack from the IDF recently.

    Israel, as far as I know, is the only actor that has caused injuries to peacekeeping soldiers. Israel is also the only actor who has repositioned blue line markers in Golan and has illegally entered the no-go zone and commenced construction works.

    From your link "The strikes hit areas where no soldiers were present, it added and no serious injuries were reported." Presumably hezbollah had no intent or were just incompetent.

    Attacks on UNFIL are outrageous and should be punished - regardless of who the actor is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    You seem sure of that, but I'm not sure how you have that view given what is going on.

    The IDF has flattened whole residential neighbourhoods, mass bombed tens of thousands of civilians, extensively murdered women and children, attacked and firebombed refugee camps, blew up schools and hospitals, locked up doctors and other medical staff, blockaded food and water supplies, forcing starvation. This is in no way a proportionate response - one side has killed 1200 civilians, the other possibly 100k. Does this not seem like a good way to you to remove a population from their land?

    Also, by purely blaming October 7th for these many heinous war crimes, you are diminishing any responsibility on the government/ generals who are ordering this, and the soldiers that are carrying it out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,977 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Victim blaming did not work last year and it certainly still does not work this year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,977 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    'a source said' - what source? and where has Italy stated this was a Lebanese false flag operation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    plenty pro revolutionary freedom fighters posters here would surely be glad to host in there's , spare room or two anyone ?

    only down side is them jews would surely drop a bomb on them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    Among the children confirmed that have been killed in Gaza:

    710 babies below the age of one, 1,793 toddlers (1-3 years old), 1,205 preschoolers (4-5 years old), 4,205 primary school children (6-12 years old) and 3,442 high school children (13-17 years old)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭taratee


    Can you tell us what those other options were?

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,726 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    You lot keep asking this stupid faux "question".

    How about not levelling entire residential areas?

    How about not bombing schools?

    How about not destroying hospitals?

    How about not targeting refugee camps?

    How about not deliberately murdering international journalists?

    How about not deliberately withholding aid/food with starvation tactics?

    How about not using the conflict to steal more Palestinian land?

    There are plenty of options open to Israel with regard to how it should conduct itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Make a point military, then explore political solutions : 2 state solution, Return stolen land, Prosecute illegal settlers, Treat Palestinians as human beings.

    So the way you see it, if a terrorist group attacks a country, that country is obliged to ethically cleanse civilians from the area that the terror group operated in, Starve people en mass, Cut off power, Bomb whole neighborhoods, Lock up doctors etc That's just the way it is?

    Is this a general belief you hold, or is it only when the victims are of a specific religion?

    Should the British have wiped us out because of the IRA?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭taratee


    Palestine/Hamas were and are against a two state solution. See the covenant of Hamas for proof of that. You want them to return land to Palestinians in response to October 7th? And if Hamas murdered another 1K+ would you want the Israelis to give them more land?

    I've addressed this nonsense re: NI before but I'm going to address it once more. I'm a Nationalist from NI in my 40s, so I'm more familiar with the IRA and the troubles than Republicans from the south; tough guys sitting on barstools who left the people of NI to fend for themselves when it counted. You are not comparing like with like on so many fronts and the mere fact that you are attempting to compare the two shows just how little you know about Israel/Palestine and NI. At no point did the IRA say that they wanted to destroy GB or the British people, for starters. Ditto for GB. Utterly embarrassing and deeply offensive to compare the two. I could go on but I'll leave it at that.

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭taratee


    So, just sit back and take October 7th on the chin?

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,726 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    It doesn't matter what Hamas said, or the IRA.

    They are terrorist groups (in the opinion of many world wide bodies,and in those they were attacking) operating a campaign against those the saw as oppressors. I would say any terrorist organization operating in this world feels the same way - that they are freedom fighters and their actions are justified.

    Whatever their motives are - it doesn't give the country who they attacked free reign to murder tens of thousands of civilians. You are telling people that in the case of Israel, it does. But in the case of Ireland, I assume, it does not - because the IRA never said something as bad as Hamas did?

    Palestinian women and children are no more Hamas terrorists than Irish women and children were IRA terrorists, and no more deserve to be firebombed than we did.

    My opinion is that mass murder of innocents shouldn't happen under any circumstances. I would expect most Irish people on here have that belief, and are calling it out. I hope you aren't too "deeply offended" by that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,476 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    The most moral army at work again -

    "On a Thursday afternoon towards the end of last month, a 59-year-old Palestinian woman set out to gather olives on her family’s land near the village of Faqqua, in the north of the occupied West Bank.

    It was something that Hanan Abu Salameh had done for decades.

    Within minutes, the mother of seven and grandmother of 14 lay dying in the dust of the olive grove, with a bullet wound in her chest - she’d been shot by an Israeli soldier.

    Even though the family had co-ordinated their intention to pick olives with the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), according to her son Fares and husband Hossam, the soldier fired several shots as other family members fled for cover.

    The IDF says it’s investigating the incident, but Hanan’s grieving relatives have little hope or expectation that her killer will be brought to justice.

    This wasn’t an isolated incident."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20gnvz1975o



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Just like if October 7th didn’t happen, Israel wouldn’t have invaded Lebanon.
    Except before October 7th happened Israel invaded Lebanon in 1978 and 1982 and 2006.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,875 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Seems you're more than happy with Israel's reaction and the murder of 11,355 kids under 18 - over 700 of whom didn't even reach their first birthday.

    At least you're honest.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    US veto UN security council vote on ceasefire to take place in Gaza. US joins Israel as a rogue state, got to be the most shameful thing ever seen in the place in it's history.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭mikethecop




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Biden has proven to be a despicable president in all truth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Why - so ye can get an answer, ignore it, then ask it again in a couple of days time to justify the next war crime that is committed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭mulbot


    One and the same, Israel is the office, America is the factory floor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,875 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I have - many times.

    Perhaps you have an alternative answer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,991 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    Forget about Israel, the main protagonists are Russia, North Korea, Iran and China. Axis of evil countries as flagged by former US President George Bush JNR.

    Look what Russia have just done in the Baltic sea , they have destroyed undersea telecom cables using a Chinese cargo ship. The Chinese cargo ship sailed from a Russian port and the Captain is Russian.

    Latest is the Danish navy have boarded the Chinese cargo vessel.

    Chinese ship in area when Baltic Sea cables severed

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    Investigations have been launched into the destruction of two fibre-optic communications cables earlier this week: one linking Finland and Germany and the other connecting Sweden and Lithuania.

    Some fingers were quickly pointed at Russia, with Western nations expressing concerns about "hybrid warfare".

    Here, OSINT editor Adam Parker takes a look at the incidents' possible links to China...

    The Danish military says it is staying close to a Chinese ship in the country's waters amid an investigation into damage caused to underwater cables in the Baltic Sea.

    Sky News' Data & Forensics unit has analysed marine tracking data that shows the Chinese ship Yi Peng 3 left the Russian port of Ust-Luga on 15 November. It passed close to both internet cables around the time each was damaged on Sunday and Monday.

    The Danish navy has been following the Chinese-flagged carrier since Monday evening using at least five different patrol ships as it travelled through Denmark's waters, according to data from MarineTraffic.

    The Yi Peng 3 has now stopped in the Kattegat Sea area and is currently at anchor with a Danish navy ship anchored close by.

    The Danish Armed Forces told Sky News they are "present in the area near the Chinese ship Yi Peng 3".

    Sweden is "taking a hard look" at vessel Yi Peng 3 and the role it might have played, a source familiar with the investigation told the Financial Times.

    Read on here...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Bush described Iran, Iraq and North Korea as the “Axis of Evil” in the wake of the September 11th attacks. On September 10th his father, George HW Bush was meeting with Osama Bin Laden’s brother.
    None of the “axis of evil” countries were involved in the 9/11 attacks.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,339 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It might be no bad thing that there is a (permanent?) distance or a coldness developing in the Europe - USA relationship. They've clearly morphed into something quite unpleasant and unsavoury via their foreign policy. It's definitely noticeable.



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