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Why do companies want to return to the office?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,200 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    look they are pretty good about it to be fair, but also there are times when im not in a meeting and im happy to see them, im just making the point there are distractions at home and in the office, to say its impossible to work in an office because distractions isnt credible imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭GHendrix


    It’s easier for multi nationals to force staff back. If people leave then they’ll just bring new people in to replace them.

    But for the smaller companies, there are huge opportunities to poach staff by allowing flexibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,701 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    There's not one overall answer: as the replies here show, reasons include from being a cheap way to avoid redundancies, to commercial real estate changes, management discomfort, needing to develop social skills, actual poor performance, needing to mentor inexperienced employees (who often don't know they need mentoring and think they're doing fine) - and grow them into jobs that they don't even know about yet.

    In your case, I wonder why the company has you in Ireland doing that job. Surely there's someone in Poland or Romania who could do it more cheaply. But still they keep you, for some reason - possibly as part of maintaining a core of staff in Ireland. I'd guess the reason for wanting to see your face regularly is related to this, even though this isn't part of your regular tasks or targets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Homesick Alien


    All that language makes your argument no more compelling. "Being in the office" isn't labour and neither is commuting to it. The labour is the actual work and that's what you're getting paid for.

    Obviously the smaller your commute the more beneficial to all involved but calling it unpaid labour is just silly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,901 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    But they still need the best talent, and if the best talent want to WFH then what…

    Then the best talent leaves to somewhere that does offer WFH. Eventually the company decides to either a) change its policy or b) just tolerate a certain level of turnover. As more and more companies go back to the office, the options for full WFH will get less and less, so the problem will take care of itself to some extent.

    Like, this is how employment works. The employer sets the T&Cs, it's up to the employee to accept them, negotiate a better deal, or not take the job. WFH is just another condition of employment, like annual leave or pension contributions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭daheff


    most qualified workers didnt spend years in education just to be paid the bare minimum either. pay peanuts get monkeys….or work your wage etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭GHendrix


    What’s happening right now is companies are resisting change because of the “we’ve always done it this way” mentality.

    In the past, an office was essential. People didn’t have internet/network at home and a home PC.

    Now everyone has Wi-Fi, a laptop and a phone. It is simple to work remotely.

    People have realised how silly it is for half the country to be sitting in gridlock traffic everyday. The M50 is beyond a joke for about 8 hours each day.

    Companies should embrace it. With the likes of climate change becoming a more urgent issue, weather events , potential for future pandemics etc, it will likely be forced on them again at some point anyways



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,902 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    From my in office days, I now wonder how we ever managed to get any work done when it was 5 days a week. Productivity shot up when COVID sent us all home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 517 ✭✭✭CuriousCucumber


    People do realise, that back in the day, lots of office workers had their own office, or partitions which allowed them to put their head down, and work uninterrupted.

    Then, completely unrelated to covid, most companies removed the majority of private offices, and re-designed their buildings, at a great cost, to become more open plan.

    It's almost as if, they realised then, the benefit of collaboration from having people working closely together

    There isn't some crazy conspiracy here. As others have said, if there was truely no value in having people in the office, lots of companies would have gone against the grain, and offered 100% wfh contracts to attract talent. This isn't, and hasn't happened.

    People need to realise that they work for a company, and not the other way round. If you dont like it, no one is forcing you to stay



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,030 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Where I work boss is trying to force everyone back to the office because of high rent for a huge office, rates, insurance etc. The business actually performed better during Covid when everyone worked from home. I now go into the office one day per week and I get literally nothing done due to being dragged into silly chats and meetings that really I have no need to be involved in. When Im at home I usually log in before 8 o clock and get work done. If Im in the office I wont be there until 9.30 or later depending on traffic. We have lost good people due to his inflexibility in wanting them in the office. We are recruiting at the moment and have had 2 people turn down the role due to lack of remote working. Its a disaster but he wont change his mind due to paying high rent on a fancy office that really he doesnt need to be paying for! All he needs is a small office quarter the size and have some hot desks that people can come into the office whenever needed - but no he wont do that. He doesnt realise he is actually damaging his business

    I told my boss very clearly that if he expected me back in the office full time I would be leaving. I have young kids and aging parents to look after and 2 to 3 hours commute on top of a working day is not feasible. Thankfully he is allowing me to work form home.

    The only reason people should be in the office is for training and new starters but after that everything works well remotely.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,119 ✭✭✭jackboy


    The push for back to office is down to lack of trust, which is justified in some cases.

    WFH works well at my site but in the US it is a disaster. Many people are uncontactable for long periods. What is happening is a lot of these individuals are working multiple jobs simultaneously from home, making huge money. They do these jobs half ass and if they get fired from a job it is irrelevant. Because of the US experience every site must return to the office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭pauly58


    I suspect some senior managers are starting to suspect hang on, things are going okay, perhaps I'm not needed, better get them back in the office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭AnnieinDundrum


    I wonder if people take fewer sick days when they are wfh.


    anecdotally not commuting means you can work even if you aren’t feeling 100%



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,848 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I'd say a lot of it's to do with office space and corporate identify.

    If they have huge offices rented at extortionate rates, they want to see them being used.

    Plus, if say Google has 95% of its people wfh, rather than in one centralised building in the city, are they not losing their corporate identity, if you get my drift? Home workers are unseen, whereas if you have thousands of people coming and going from a major city centre premises every day, you know that's the Google building.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,303 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    It's also to do with managers who love being at work. There is a subset out there of people who live to work rather than the other way around, and were delighted when they were able to get back into the office once the covid lockdowns lifted. The problem is that an awful lot of those people end up being the decision makers for those who work to live, and feel everyone will be delighted to be back in the office too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,200 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    regardless most people now have the facilities to WFH even if they arent remote, so it used to be if you were too sick to come in you didnt work, now its if you are too sick to work which is a higher bar to be fair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,303 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    On days like today now with the snow everywhere, I'm sure there'll be loads of companies who will be delighted that staff can work from home. It's all about flexibility on their terms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,030 ✭✭✭Deeec


    I agree with you. Some people love working in the office - in my experience they usually have a partner at home that looks after kids activities , housework, cooking etc so all they have to do is go to work and they actually enjoy the commute. For the rest of us commuting and juggling all the kids and house is a nightmare. These people usually think everyone is the same as them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭GHendrix


    The likes of Amazon are trying to force staff back 5 days a week.

    Next time there’s a red weather warning or anything like that, I hope their staff refuse to work from home.

    You are either a flexible company or you’re not. Staff shouldn’t let employers away with been flexible only when it suits them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,901 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    If they have huge offices rented at extortionate rates, they want to see them being used.

    I doubt it tbh. There's a significant cost to running the office (light, heat, catering, security, maintenance etc) that could be saved even if you dropped the shutters and kept paying the rent.

    But we're seeing companies continue to take up new office space. Stripe are TRIPLING their office space in Dublin next year. If your theory was correct, why would they do that?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭halkar


    What would happen if there is another pandemic similar to covid or natural disaster or war etc and people refuse to Wfh? Contracts say work place is office. Would the company still has to pay wages if one refuse to wfh and office is closed or unreachable?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭halkar


    What would happen if there is another pandemic similar to covid or natural disaster or war etc and people refuse to Wfh? Contracts say work place is office. Would the company still has to pay wages if one refuse to wfh and office is closed or unreachable?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,848 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Well it kinda proves my point too. Stripe taking up MORE office space means they want their brand to be seen, physically seen in Dublin city centre. Rather than having no office space and all their staff sitting in their kitchens or in front of the tv at home.

    Also, and I didn't want to say it last time for fear of being set upon, but a large number of people who are wfh will be swinging the lead and not putting in much effort. I know I'll be told that if the works getting done, then the company should be happy, or else they need to introduce ways of monitoring exactly what home workers are actually doing for 8hr per day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,303 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I've worked in offices big and small. I work largely from home now. People will be "swinging the lead" wherever they are based. In the office you'll see people always ducking out for coffee breaks, smoke breaks, things like that. You'll have people sitting at their desk but not really doing anything. It's the same with WFH. One doesn't increase the other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,701 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    No.

    Same as with covid and snow days, there is no legal obligation on an employer to pay you for days when you cannot work because the business is closed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,701 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    It's too hard to tell: covid has changed the health profile of the population, so the baseline has shifted.

    Personally, I've had days when I was too sick to travel, but OK to wfh, so I did.

    But allowing it involves a risk to the employer: if the person gets sicker, they can claim they were forced to work instead of revocer, so claim compensation for the harm done.

    It's a fine line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭halkar


    But business is not closed. You can wfh but refuse it. It's not your fault office closed. You are willing to go to office but you cant. There is nothing in the contract says you have wfh if something unforseen happens.

    What if millions of workers said they didn't want to wfh during covid? After all it's not their fault offices closed.

    My point is people helped companies to survive during covid and now being bullied to get back to office for the work they can probably do better at home with less distraction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭GHendrix


    To be honest, the main issue is ultimately the hours of commuting and gridlock traffic. Without those, going to the office wouldn’t bother me as much. So there are a few potential solutions here:

    1. Fix the housing crisis and make it achieve-able to live closer to Dublin City where the jobs are.
    2. Decentralise and create more jobs outside of the city centre
    3. Improve public transport so it is actually possible to commute in a reasonable timeframe
    4. Just allow remote work and there is less demand for all the above

    I think we all know that there is little to no hope of fixing the housing crisis quickly, fixing public transport or decentralising.

    The option to work remote is the best solution as we already have everything in place for it to work well.

    The more people work from home, it makes everything easier for those that can’t



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,636 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    With respect, the housing crisis, decentralization, poor public transport, and traffic aren't your employer's responsibility. Neither is car emissions, the climate crisis etc that other posters have mentioned.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,901 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    What if millions of workers said they didn't want to wfh during covid? After all it's not their fault offices closed.

    Then they'd have been furloughed, not paid, and had to go on social welfare. Wouldn't exactly count that as a win for the workers.

    The mass WFH during Covid was a mutually beneficial outcome for an emergency situation. Yes we kept our employers in business, and they kept employing and paying us. The idea that we dug them out of a hole is only half the story.



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