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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,403 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Never used protected urea here and thew growth the past few weeks has been exceptional.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭Good loser


    Has that dairy conference in Cork happened? A Teagasc scientist was to give results from p u trials.

    I found same results as from straight urea - not dairying.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Just back from A&E here after burning my eye with lime. Don’t worry, I won’t be posting a picture here or on Twitter!

    I was spreading lime in the cubicles yesterday evening and as I was flicking it onto the cubicle beds a bit flew up into my face and into one eye. I washed it straight away and several times last night with cold water. It was better this morning but still not right so I went to the chemist for drops. The chemist said to go to the doctor and the doctor said go straight to A&E.

    A nurse in the eye emergency dept washed it out and checked the pH of both eyes. A doctor or consultant (not sure what she was) checked it out and said it was a “serious enough chemical burn” but it’ll be OK. I’ve 3 different types of drops to put in over the next few days and back in there on Thurs to get it checked again.

    It could have been worse and I’ll wear the googles from here on.

    But it’s a reminder that lime will give you a chemical burn and it’s not like getting sand or dust in your eye.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Sorry to hear that and I hope it clears up soon. What kind of line were you using?Straight hydrated or a mix?

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,170 ✭✭✭roosterman71




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,672 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Nasty one. Was it straight hydrated lime? 10% is a nice balance I find . Got 30% before and you needed all the ppe on and no cows in the shed as they would start coughing. Harsh on teats too.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    It was the 30% stuff. I got a few small bags from the local merchant just to throw out when the heifers went in first. I won’t be getting it again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭cjpm


    The eye people in the hospitals will tell you horror stories about lime that they have seen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,770 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Hope you get better quick @Siamsa Sessions .

    It's not only lime. Cement dust is dangerous stuff. Heard a lad got some down his boot when working. Never minded it and it nearly burnt the foot off him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,132 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    There's an eyewash you can get called diphoterene. It's much more effective than water, not cheap but worth having a bottle around. Actively neutralizes acids and bases, doesn't just rely on dilution



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,209 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Prevention is. Better than cure, wear googled or at least safety glasses. Goggles ideally. It amazing how careless we are regarding protective clothing/gear in farming. Putting up electric fencing last few days. If we were not wearing gloves tge hands would be taken off you. It amazing how much they save your fingers from pinch injuries even the lighter of them.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Has no one ever sat Holly down and explained to her that historically dairy farmers weren't tillage farmers due to the fact their farms weren't suitable to tillage and still aren't and the only sector capable of providing a living for a farm on a small land block was/is dairy farming



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Due to weather conditions I’ve a way more maize silage in stock. To be able to consume the extra maize I’ll have to increase the herd by 30%. Seeing that I’m paid on bf uniquely, I’m thinking on buying purebred jerseys. What’s the downside of jerseys?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 CasePuma


    Youl see, less work, less maintenance. They'll prob increase numbers over the years due to longevity. Calves are the minus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    How dear have good holstein cows got that your considering the above, you want the jerseys landed 1000 euro plus cheaper than a holstein, to any way compensate for the cull cow value lost and calf issues



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    They are about €1k whereas a Holstein is €2k.
    I’d hate to be landed with worthless calves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    And you're right, some money just isn't worth making.

    Other negatives of jerseys, dirtier teats indoors- leads to scc issues, kick a bit more. More prone to milk fever and need extra large dose of certain medicines according to my vet.

    There's also the issue of small cows mixed with big cows in the parlour and room, spacings etc.

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭cosatron


    Any market for selling the maize. Cull and calf prices major downside. I know a lad that jersey x calves for nothing, kept them the year, reared them as best he could and only 200 euro for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Biggest loss will be a holstein cow/heifer will cruise along in a extended lactation and then come into a nice few pound as a cull, the jerseys will dry themselves off alot earlier, if your fertility isn't top notch it's another area where you'll lose out



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    It’s not just the eyes, most farmers don’t use any dust masks when putting on lime. It’s extremely bad for the lungs as it builds up over time. I’ve no doubt it will be banned in time for human health reasons



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,954 ✭✭✭stanflt


    why would you want jersey when you can have pedigree Holstein s

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    will the jersey still be doing 17 litres when’s she’s ready to dry off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,770 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    She came from a small dairy farm herself. That's what the family lived from. Then her mother claims they were forced out of business.

    So Holly has turned poacher from gamekeeper. She wants to give no credentials to small dairy farming now. It's attack the whole time. Of all the incentives the politicians were fawning over themselves with, 300 a suckler cow, 400 a hectare tillage with no upper limits, sheep probably got something too. What did the small dairy farmer get? A kick in the arse. The only group that has no representation and likely earning less than the tillage, sheep, beef. But full time work and trying to live off that entirely.

    If anyone wants to form a lobby group purely for small dairy farmers say less than 120 cows could go slightly smaller. Then I'll form a number.

    In America they've a lobby group for dairy farmers with less than 250 cows but 120 would be more the theme for small in Ireland. In France they've a peasant farmers group for lobbying and they have no problem with the idea. It's a voice to the most marginal that have no voice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Isn't their a good shot of dairy farmers in her local area, will she even retain her seat?

    Bookies have her odds on, but you'd imagen she'll get backlash



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,043 ✭✭✭✭Birdnuts


    All forms of Chem N are significant disruptors of the soil biota



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,237 ✭✭✭straight


    I think she equates derogation farmers to big bully farmers that take all the land off the small farmer like her that never progressed.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Holly lives in the land of media and politics. What you say doesn't have to make sense, it just has to sound sensible to the others who live in that bubble. Like Holly, they'll never have to put their money where their mouth is. Ireland is a very wealthy country for those who live in that world and the idea of not having enough money is a concept that simply doesn't exist.

    If someone does mention a "financial impact" to what they propose, they just want to throw Govt money at it, and then continue on with their pet theories regardless.

    It's a particular bugbear of mine but we're back to PR and farmers not having a professional media person to constantly put forward the work farmers are doing and to explain (yet again) why Holly's latest brainwave makes no sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭alps


    Dairy farmers pay a professional media organisation called NDC, who exactly that, constantly put forward the work that farmers do....well at least they say they do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭alps


    The downside of jerseys is that your farming colleagues will begin to hate you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭older by the day


    She's looking for the left vote. Michael Collins, noel o Donovan FG, Chris O sullivan FF, are looking for the "normal rural dweller" vote.

    I have never seen her at a trashing, tractor run,GAA or a funeral. She is not bothered with the boggers.

    But west cork have a lot of blow ins, towns people, foreigners, left leaning people, and she will be relying on number 2 from SF and smaller independents. I would not rule her out, the fact of having a new baby the week of election, probably a few pics floating around will help things too.

    I wish her all the luck in the world with having her baby.

    Maybe not as much luck with keeping her seat. Not that we have only ourselves to blame

    Our unions licking aas all the time

    https://www.france24.com/en/france/20241119-french-farmers-protests-eu-trade-deal-south-america-mercosur-bloc



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