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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,725 ✭✭✭macraignil


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    ??What's putin's next red line for starting WW3?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Yes sure Hitler only wanted Austria and the Sudetenland as well.

    Far away countries of which we know nothing.

    We’ve seen all this **** before. Dictators are the very same throughout history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    US state department says that no policy changes have been made regarding long range missile strikes into Russia.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    People get into their little bubbles and will literally believe anything. It's mad stuff and i think the internet has destroyed any level of critical thinking and encouraged group think to 1939 Germany levels. Dangerous as f**k in all honesty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    1. ⁠Russia said that all occupied Ukrainian territories are now the russia proper (tho hilariously calling new colonies new Russia)
    2. ⁠Ukraine hits occupied territories with all kinds of weapons from the day 1. With the delivered weapons including ATACMS and Scalp/Storm Shadow - also from the day of delivery.

    3... Three years later

    • USA / UK etc allows to strike Russia proper with ATACMS.
    • Russia said that it will be a huge escalation.
    • Hence Russia doesn’t consider some parts of Russia to be Russia and whole war is based on lies


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Crazy stuff going on at the moment as Ukraine try to rally the world to defeat Sauron and Nato seem to have gone off on one also.

    It must be all this new news coming in from the battlefield coming out, especially from Kursk which looks like it is turning into the debacle that a couple predicted a few weeks ago.

    Incredible really, it's like being at the movies. Lord of the rings, Braveheart, star wars, harry potter, shawshank redemption and invisible Koreans.

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    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    OK then, but in my post you quoted, why do you seem to have completely missed the part where I clearly stated I also call BS when I see Ukrainian spin? I even give examples of what I see as same.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,422 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Like they didn't "want" Belarus but somehow there's a dictator there propped up by Russia?

    A Russia who captured Ukraine without Ukraine putting up a fight, as you seem to want them to do, with Ukraine's resources, military etc as a vassal state is a totally different threat to one crippled by Ukraine's resistance. Resistance possible due to the commitment of the people of Ukraine but also the military and financial assistance provided by US, NATO, EU, the West.

    The war in Ukraine is caused by Russia to all our detriment. Russia's violations of the Budapest agreement started when Ukraine was considering signing a treaty with the EU. Nothing to do with the US. Nothing to do with NATO.
    Russia sees Ukraine as a vassal state.

    If conflict had anything to do with a real threat to Russia from NATO, Russia would not have stripped its forces from NATO borders to send to Ukraine.

    Russia have done it over and over again and people still falling for their lies.

    The only war mongers are those in the Kremlin and those who seek to reward them for their illegal war.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,741 ✭✭✭✭josip


    That NATO tweet is from 2 years ago. But you probably already knew that.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/11a2tgz/nato_compares_ukrainian_conflict_to_harry_potter/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    They're genuinely running out of them. No restrictions on the weapons is mainly it. Outside of that maybe tomahawk or other longer range missiles?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,293 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Must have hit a nerve. Not going through all that.

    @odyssey06

    The war in Ukraine is caused by Russia to all our detriment. Russia's violations of the Budapest agreement started when Ukraine was considering signing a treaty with the EU. Nothing to do with the US. Nothing to do with NATO.
    Russia sees Ukraine as a vassal state.

    If conflict had anything to do with a real threat to Russia from NATO, Russia would not have stripped its forces from NATO borders to send to Ukraine.

    Ukraine was considering signing a treaty with the EU when the EU laid down the law it's either with us and no one else or it's that not with us. Such benefactors they were the.

    And if NATO is no threat and not expansionist how come they managed to be at Russia's doorstep within just three decades? It's not Russia floating ships in the Gulf of Mexico and arming Canada. It's the US fkn around halfway across the globe on the doorstep of other countries. But of course it's those countries that are the problem. This is so warped and you're so caught up in it you dont even realise it anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭zv2


    Believe it or not, there are worse things than war.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Russia didnt want Ukraine and they still dont. They certainly couldn't occupy all of it.

    Of course they "wanted" it. And you don't need to occupy a whole country to do that. In WW2 did Germany "occupy all" of France, Holland, Belgium etc? No. That's not how it works.

    You go into a country, overwhelm conventional forces loyal to same, take the capital, "replace" the leadership with your own guys and take over the existing state's civil and commercial levers of organisation and power. Job done. Then, if the people of that nation don't want you sit back and go through a long drawn out insurrection and/or civil war if some want you and others don't. In the vast majority of historical takeovers human nature kicks in. IE the majority of ordinary people just want to live their lives and will do so even if they hate the invader. Putin clearly attempted this and failed.

    Do I think Putin could "take" more European countries? Not a hope in hell. Far easier to stew pro Moscow sympathy in places like Serbia, eastern Germany, Hungary etc, which he would hope would have a destabilising effect on the EU, which imho he fears far more than NATO. A people just over the fence that live better lives than your own people is far more effective and dangerous to him than missiles.

    And of course it's always the Yanks/CIA/Deep State's fault. If you bother to actually read up on the CIA and their attempts at coups and all that, they're surprisingly crap. Indeed during the Cold War the Soviets were better at it. Even Prigozhin, the head of Wagner and the now memory holed coup when interviewed said the Kremlin's reasons for the invasion were BS.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Anyone else enjoying “Friends of Russia” furiously producing scutter 💩 while nervously looking up at the sky 🚀 ?

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    Day 1000 of the war and we have gems of wisdom being deposited along lines of “Russia didnt want Ukraine and they still dont”, yeh they just spent three years and over 700k casualties for the laugh of it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭zv2


    The thing is there's the real Russia and the fake Russia. You can bomb one but not the other. Or something along those lines anyhow. It gets complicated…

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Best chance for Ukraine to "win" the war is for a total economic and political collapse in Russia. If the soldiers don't get paid and hence just go home to their families.

    Makes me wonder would the ATACMS be best used on military stockpiles, or to further diminish the Russian economy, e.g. on oil refineries and so on.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    And if NATO is no threat and not expansionist how come they managed to be at Russia's doorstep within just three decades?

    And if Russia's no threat why did so many of its ex Soviet Bloc vassals rush to ask to join both NATO and the EU? They lived under Moscow rule so know them well and clearly preferred to choose and look westward. The only ones that didn't were Belarus, which may as well be Russia with the same guy in power for even longer than Putin and Ukraine.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    One of the 7 GRAU arsenal's was hit last night. Over 100KM into Russia. Given it's proximity to Ukraine I wouldn't say it was as packed as the others they hit but a decent explosion none the less.

    Coincidence this comes just after they received permission? I hope it's ATACAMS so they're not strictly limited to Kursk itself. Belgorod, Kursk, Bryansk. No reason why they would limit them here especially when Russia literally has an active incursion into Kharkiv from Belgorod.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Straight from the horses mouth. Russia will be effectively creating digital money instead of printing it in a form of quantitative easing. Things can get messy with their inflation levels. The Russian central bank better lock those Windows. Good luck telling putting the war is at fault.

    This strategy will postpone their issues but will make them worse down the line. Obviously raising funds from the international markets isn't going as planned. China mustn't be too keen bailing them out.

    I'm surprised we've already reached this point but I did see analysis recently their massive national wealth fund has effectively run out of liquid cash. The rest of the still quite large fund is made up of assets that can't be quickly sold on.

    https://www.moscowtimes.ru/2024/11/18/tsbzalet-milliardi-vgosbanki-chtobi-napolnit-voennii-byudzhet-putina-a148008



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,391 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Probably the best way to win this. Strangle Russian resupply, logistics and weapons storage. Cant fight if they cant shoot.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Looks like things are escalating as Putin signs into law it's new nuclear doctrine.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭rogber


    1000 days of war. A horrible milestone. Hundreds of thousands killed and injured because a narcissistic and deluded old man with a huge chip on his shoulder over a lost empire wants to be remembered as another Peter the Great. Toxic masculinity at its absolute worst.

    The near future looks dark for Ukraine but may it ultimately prevail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    A good thread on various Russian issues. No wonder the official Kremlin line to their followers is Ukraine must stop fighting and settle for peace. Don't arm them save lives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Maybe just maybe it is because neighbouring countries apply to join NATO due to the threat of Russian invasion. How many countries has NATO invaded again?

    Honestly it is round and round in circles with you lot. This has been explained several times over the last 3 years and your and other Putin fanboy posts can only suggest ye are either trolling , too simple of mind to process the reality or just what I’d class as an evil people.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,541 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I will never understand the mental contortions necessary to go through to see such a mind-numbingly simple and obvious case of malfeasance, of a country just straight up engaging in a full blown invasion, and decide it is the US's fault somehow.

    Would be like blaming Russia for Iraq.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,741 ✭✭✭✭josip




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,973 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    1. Putin didn't really want to invade all of Ukraine
    2. Putin isn't a threat to the rest of Europe
    3. America to blame

    Signed Putin



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Russia didnt want Ukraine and they still dont. They certainly couldn't occupy all of it.

    HAHAHAHAHA!!

    Of all the humdingers in this thread from the Vatniks this has to be top 3.

    WTF was the thunder run on Kiev then?

    The armored convoy miles long?

    Putin annexing chunks of Ukraine?

    I actually dont think I've ever read such pure unadulterated nonsense in my whole life. You are not a serious poster.



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