Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

https://gript.ie/fact-check-harris-says-illegal-migrant-is-not-a-phrase-in-law/

So despite Simon Harris saying otherwise, illegal immigrant is a term used in law. Keep up the misinformation lads.

You won't find to many labourers in the plantation centres, you might get a few to stand around the doors in a shopping centre wearing a Security guard uniform but they won't be getting their hands dirty anyway.

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You just know people want it removed from law hence why they go on like it doesn't exist. People must not understand the concept of nations, natives etc. We don't live in one big nation where everyone can go anywhere freely.

It does seem you have a particular understanding of the abilities of asylum seekers which may be coloring your opinion on this subject.

According to the ESRI, STEM, environment and construction is the fourth most popular employment sector for a particular study cohort of IPA employees in Ireland.

https://www.esri.ie/system/files/publications/RS160.pdf

Also here's a construction recruitment company highlighting it's successes in placing IPA in construction roles.

https://wardpersonnel.com/a-win-win-how-workers-from-the-asylum-seeker-community-can-play-a-part-in-addressing-the-construction-labour-shortage/

I've had a fair read of the thread, and I actually find it hard to have a particular understanding of anything. Claims and denials abound, and lots of disingenuous arguments. Just for the record I've lived and worked in five countries apart from Ireland, so it would be very hypocritical for me to be anything other than supportive of the idea of people coming here to work. I'm not currently a construction professional but I have worked for a couple of construction companies, so I appreciate the level of knowledge involved. I've just completed the structural part of a large extension to my house, and I'm working on the fit-out. The amount of hours spent building was less than the amount researching and figuring out how best to meet the building regs. I've no doubt some asylum seekers have manual skills - I have pretty good manual skills myself, but my knowledge was lacking, and a fair bit of practice was needed. Given the number of people I've encountered who have been in the industry for years and are still producing sub-standard work, I wouldn't understand the challenge involved in onboarding AS for these roles, but if it could be done successfully on any large scale I'd welcome it.

Just because an employment sector is popular, doesn't mean people are well qualified for it. If it was that simple we could just give the ~25k per annum asylum seekers work permits, safe passes, hard hats and safety boots on arrival and bingo, housing crisis solved.

What percentage of AS have a sufficient level of English to work safely on a building site?

I'm not aware of any research specifically reporting on English language skills amongst IPAs in Ireland.

Many IPAs will however come from countries where English is the official language and/or widely spoken. Volunteers are always welcome in supporting IPAs who don't have strong English language skills and an number of those dreaded NGOs actually offer classes.

I'm not sure your comparison is fair or accurate, from what I understand you're talking about your own experiences of a self-build?

I would think we agree that there are skills shortages in construction in Ireland, but from what I understand there is also a shortage of people willing and available to learn these skills.

it's a fundamental human right to be allowed claim asylum. anywhere.

Asylum seekers do not need documentation. Anywhere.

They are facts.

Its not an open border, as everyone is allowed to claim asylum, not everyone is entitled to it.

So, again I'll ask, what part of the constitution are we going to change?

I've regularly been derided for using the term on this thread.

But now that you agree that there are bogus asylum seekers, what should happen to them??

There isn't a huge amount of available research on this, but one trend I've noticed coming up repeatedly on the thread is the idea that IPAs are wholly uneducated and unready for work. 'Engineers and Doctors' is a phrase repeatedly used in a derogatory sense in this regard.

The available research shows that at least in Germany, which I believe would have a similar profile in term of applicants to Ireland…

Available evidence indicates that up to 15% of the new asylum seekers have tertiary education, around 50% of them have secondary education and between 30 and 40% are illiterate or have only primary schooling.

https://www.bertelsmann-stiftung.de/fileadmin/files/user_upload/Studie_NW_From_Refugees_to_Workers_Vol1.pdf

And the people that are rejected? What do we do with them?

We're going to add to the constitution.

Btw it shouldn't be a fundamental right that anyone can claim asylum here. These "human rights" inevitable erode our own rights and standard of living when abused.

Just out of curiosity, I know I'm picking an unrealistic number but in years gone by giving the current numbers would have been unrealistic too.

Let's say a million of the poorest and most vulnerable people around the world claimed asylum here annually for the next 5 years. Would you be happy to look after these 5 million as best we can? Should we be obligated?

And whether or not you would do you have an upper limit higher or lower then 5 million?

Why would you consider it a wind up? Do you not accept the authors findings?

I can't find anything up to date on the number of doctors specifically who've come through the asylum process in Ireland.

But this article from 2007 suggests the number is somewhere between 10 and 20 per year.

https://www.unhcr.org/ie/news/stories/unhcr-welcomes-draft-bill-will-let-refugee-doctors-practise-ireland

It's interesting though that so many asylum seekers choose to come to IRELAND, being the most westerly country in Europe. And it's interesting that they pass through safe countries without claiming asylum there before arriving here.