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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    The Trocaire ad makes me furious - little boy clutching his teddy and fleeing war with his mother.

    Where are all these little kids ? Or their mothers ?

    Oh and "wanting a just world" - so you want policy change, not just aid ? Then run for Government and stop pretending you're a charity.

    Look at the footage of the "small boats" crossing the Channel (and coming here next) - all able bodied grown men, all smiling broadly for the camera safe in the knowledge that despite there are a host of laws they are breaking, some NGO shill will use semantics to make them the victims and they will never have to work for anything.

    Absolute joke.

    How anyone can say with a straight face that unchecked immigration and so called IPAs are not a problem but housing, the health service, school places, our tourist industry etc etc. Too many people affect ALL of them!!!!

    We spend a couple of billion on these people - a tenth of that would adequately police our borders. When Geldof said "feed the world" I don't think he meant just us!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭emo72


    Yeah, that's right, that's that guy. But what's any of that got to do with what he said this morning? Like, sometimes people whom you don't always agree with can actually say something you do agree with.

    We are putting people in fields right now. There is no accommodation available. Full.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,479 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Of course someone entering a country illegally can become an asylum seeker, it's beyond obvious that some people may not have documentation, being explained plenty of times, and so cannot apply for correct travel documents/vivas etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,479 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Which is exactly why I stated I wouldn't vote for aontu or any party who will erode women's rights



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    So you agree!?

    Anyone can enter the country illegally and if they choose to claim asylum, they are no longer illegal. They don't even need to have documentation.

    Therefore, it is essentially an open border.

    And you are ok with this.

    lol.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    If someone was able to get on a plane in the first place they would have had a passport. How did they get on without one? Because they’re mislaying them on the flight or when they get off the plane. Simple as that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,479 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    And what part of the constitution will we change exactly ? Which part refers to immigration policies?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,479 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    No cherry picking here.

    I linked to several pieces in the Media with many interviews from those in the industry. I will take their view on it before someone anonymous Internet poster talking about 'common sense'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    He directly contributed to the refugee crisis with his votes while he was in Brussels

    Him now opining on the subject is the height of hypocrisy

    Kind of how people voted for Trump because “he will build a wall” while ignoring that not only he didn’t build a wall he made his party vote against border measures as he doesn’t want the problem solved

    We wouldn’t have to be putting people in fields if likes of Wallace didn’t contribute to the problem in the first place (and actually vote against EU wide solution to refugee crisis!)

    You have illustrated that you don’t actually care about the problem being solved by bringing up Wallace



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    And you have ignored links from those who say that the increase in AS (along with other factors) is impacting tourism. Of course tourism is doing fine in places that still have accommodation. That is not so for all towns

    And that’s grand deny common sense and logic all you want. You can’t explain how restaurants won’t be affected in places where all the accommodation is taken up by AS rather than tourists who spend money eating out. It’s just simply not possible



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,479 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Where have I ignored them? I don't see them here? I have literally only ever heard of one restaurant owner down in Kerry saying anything like this. If you have all those links, link them.

    I have linked to reports from owners of restaurants, chefs, tourism bosses, Union representatives of the tourism industry. Those are the people who I will assume know exactly what they are talking about. Not anonymous Internet accounts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Well I actually am interested in the opinions of posters here otherwise I wouldn’t be posting. So I’m interested to know your view on how restaurants *aren’t* impacted in areas where accommodation that was once for tourists is now given to large numbers of AS. How does that work seeing as AS get meals provided for them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,479 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    I'm merely going by what the experts in the area say. I believe them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    There isn't which means governments can go against the will of the people and change the nation forever.

    There's literally nothing stopping our government inviting 10 million refugees for example over their term. They have demonstrated how dangerous they are with their insane ideologies. Even while the rest of Europe goes the opposite way. Time for real protections of our sovereignty to be put in place. The EU won't be happy with their crazy plans to build one big homogeneous EU utopia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭aero2k


    A detailed comment would be OT, but if that's the case you're going to struggle for candidates😀.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭aero2k


    But many of these experts are not exactly independent voices, are they?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Of course I can't know in that sense but I can take a wild guess.

    SF have never been in government either but I can take a guess at what they'd be like too.

    To answer your question their policy sounds just like all the rest - they all say quicker deportation for failed applications yadda yadda.

    What I didn't hear were the phrases calling this out such as "mass, uncontrolled immigration, population replacement" and a really aggressive no nonsense approach.

    Also note here Peadar does not answer the question put to him

    https://youtu.be/kj2ik4Sr6CA?si=97dOvdzSvcP6pyFy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,173 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Killarney ruined

    Mod Edit: Poster warned for link dumping ages old links - again

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,479 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Right. So no reason for a referendum. Glad that's been sorted once and for all.b



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,479 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,479 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Did you read it?

    The town’s business representative organisation said it is no coincidence that many operators started feeling the squeeze when the rate was increased to 13.5 per cent in September and that, in addition to the huge increases in the other costs involved in running a business, was leading to a sudden spate of closures.

    “The VAT rise, combined with rising energy costs, food inflation, major staffing issues, wage increases and fewer people on the streets has, in many respects, created the perfect storm to force a business to close,” said Mr Maguire and Mr Treacy.

    “Some traders have raised the white flag and acknowledged that they can simply no longer absorb the costs and remain any way competitive.”

    The chamber has acknowledged that issues such as leases expiring, business premises being sold, difficulties in securing qualified staff and the dark cloud of warehoused debt having to be paid back in a matter of weeks have also contributed to a number of businesses pulling down the shutters

    I'm guessing not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    yes I did read it and as I said to you earlier: “Those in the industry have also said that the increase in AS has contributed to the decline. In reality there are several factors but the huge increase in AS is of course going to contribute to the decline. They are taking up beds that tourists would normally take and they are not spending money on eating out etc the way tourists normally do”

    The article lines up with that. There are several factors but the increase in AS is also contributing to the decline. It’s baffling that you are trying to deny this logic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,309 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Tourists go on holiday with money to spend and go to restaurants for dinner.

    Asylum seekers get a few quid a week and would not be able to afford to spend in shops and restaurants.

    Tourist towns and villages rely on tourists to keep their business open.

    If you replace people who spend money with people who don't spend money than businesses are going to lose money.

    This is not up for debate it is a fact that everyone could understand.

    If I went into the senior infants class tomorrow and said this, then the 20 kids in attendance would all be able to understand.

    Replacing people who spend money with people who don't spend money, means businesses will lose out on money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I do think the country kind of needs builder's labourers. Aren't we facing massive shortages in the construction sector? Carers I would think are quite essential too and I don't think the tourism industry would be so happy if they couldn't get kitchen porters.

    But aside from that, what is your plan for dealing with low paid workers coming on work permits?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    It's every reason for a referendum. The refugee/immigration madness needs protections especially when it can get so much worse. The future of the nation is at stake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    yes and AS have their meals provided for. I thought it was common sense and logic too and I’m genuinely baffled as to why some posters are trying to argue against it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I'd agree to an extent.

    I do think much of the conversation around immigration is drowned about by people with a more extremist agenda talking about the country being flooded, 'bogus' asylum seekers, crime gangs and 'welfare tourism' etc, etc.

    Or even the more conspiratorial stuff about O Gorman's tweets and the 'refugee industry' etc.

    I think any serious conversation around immigration would looks first at work permits/visas, students etc as the numbers arriving via these routes are far, far greater and as such more likely to impact on housing, services etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭emo72


    There will never be a referendum on it because the government know what the answer will be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Therefore experts in the industry and can see numbers, profits, jobs all falling due to beds being used for fake IPAs.

    So why won't you listen to them ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭aero2k


    I do think the country kind of needs builder's labourers. Aren't we facing massive shortages in the construction sector?

    I think we need experienced labourers and tradesmen. The technical guidance documents for the building regulations run to over 1000 pages - how much training and mentoring would it take for an asylum seeker to be able to work without constant supervision? Then there's health and safety at work to consider. What about possible language barriers? We have had problems with building standards in recent years, I'm not sure your approach would do anything to improve matters.

    Btw I fully support qualified immigrants coming here to work, as well as helping refugees where we can.



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