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Sold counterfeit watch...by an AD!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,148 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Ah, I've only a passing (or maybe starting) interest in watches. I wasn't aware there was a watch register that listed stolen watches going that far - or at all actually.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,230 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    the watch register is very good, insurance companies update them to help recover stolen watches

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭DuckSlice


    Any update on this @Darwin very eager to see the outcome



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭Darwin


    No, they are still waiting on Tag Heuer to authenticate the watch, I'm probably a low priority case for them :( I will definitely update the thread whenever I hear back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,398 ✭✭✭Ardent


    Any update @Darwin



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭Darwin


    Unbelievably still nothing. In fairness Watchfinder have been in touch twice to say they are chasing Tag Heuer to look at my watch, but it is probably low priority given the turnaround times in servicing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,230 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    3-4 week service time with tag these days if you hand it in, having watchfinder as a go between isn’t ideal but too late now

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭Darwin


    I thought I would give an update here as I have news of sorts. After a 4 month wait watchfinder were still unable to get my watch authenticated by Tag Heuer, so I asked them to return it to me. It came back with damage to the bezel with a big scrape in it and the bezel completely seized. I obviously told them about this and asked for an explanation. I'm still waiting to hear from their customer services team (not holding my breath here). In the meantime I have left the watch back into my AD and they totally dispute watchfinders diagnosis. I took the time to compare my watch to a review by Random Rob (youtuber) and mine is just identical, there is no doubt in my mind now that it is authentic. My AD are going to send it back to Tag Heuer and I've also requested a new bezel to be fitted. This will take another 8 weeks (sigh). Tag will provide something in writing for me which should be enough. I'm assuming watchfinder will be agreeable now to paying the costs I incur. If not I need to think about where to take this next as the whole thing has been a complete shitshow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    So Watchfinder had your watch for 4 months, did SFA it appears in actually having it authenticated by TAG but managed to damage it and then returned it to you in that damaged condition?

    Don't assume Watchfinder will do anything to reimburse your cost in repairing the watch that they've now damaged. Indeed leaving you without your watch for 4 months whilst they dicked around is far from acceptable too. You could have sold or traded it elsewhere and indeed now, you are stuck in whatever TAGs service turnaround time is before you can do so. More lost opportunity and it's cost. All mounting up because WF made a bollox of dealing with the issue they flagged.

    I would not be assuming that WF will make this right. They have had ample opportunity to do so and failed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭Darwin


    @banie01 I know its the complete pits altogether. I've had many good trades with WF before so I had no reason to believe this would be any different. The incompetence is breathtaking to be honest, it's like a child got at it and hoped nobody would notice when it was damaged. I've no intention of letting this go, I just need to figure out who to take this to next if I get no response from them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,402 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    Sounds like it did get a hammering then!

    Sh1tshow is right. Watchfinder sound like a bunch of plebs. Did they go near Tag at all I wonder? It's very easy to shout fake or fire and lumber others with the burden of authentication. Like that ol political trick of baselessly labeling your opponent a child molester so they flounder in a pit of denial.

    Best of luck with it. Would be great to see Tag and the AD backing you up and helping you out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭Darwin


    @fat bloke cheers, just have to hear back from Tag and can take proper action then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,136 ✭✭✭H_Lime


    Sounds like they removed and refitted the bezel crimping the gasket on the way. That is assuming it's a conventional interference fit bezel with gasket.

    Can't imagine why they'd do that unless perhaps there is a form of authentication visible under there or something?

    Either way, exceptionally bad form to return it non functional and damaged, here's hoping you get resolution ASAP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,230 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    I’ve already given my opinion on it going to tag via watchfinder so I won’t revisit that, so the watch now damaged so it will go to tag where they will give a quote for full service and replacing the parts and once you agree they will carry out the works, not a chance watch finder will pay for this unless you can prove it’s not in the same condition as they initially received it

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I'd agree with @OmegaGene on this. WF will reject any claim for damage unless @Darwin has photos showing the condition of the watch before it was sent in to WF. Who knows, perhaps WF even took photos of the watch on arrival as part of their verification process? That could be used to verify condition was good upon their receiving it.

    Really sorry to see you have been treated so shoddily by WF to date Darwin and I do hope they make it right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭Darwin


    I would expect WF to photograph all incoming sales/part exchanges to protect themselves against unwarranted claims, but who knows. I've reported it to them literally the minute it was delivered back to me by DHL last week. I would also hope my transaction history with them counts for something. Even if I did photo the watch before sending it, they could equally say I damaged it myself when it was returned to me. A lot of the process is based on trust, let's see what happens first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,230 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    there was no trust when watch finder said your watch was fake even though it came from an ad with box and papers and matching serial nunber

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭Darwin


    True, I'm just at a loss to see how they arrived at this conclusion, I could find nothing wrong with the serial number engraving or find any sharp edges in the finishing. Anyway I'm done with them after this is finished.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,230 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    there was nothing wrong with the watch, they likely just didn’t want to make an offer on it

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,148 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    ah fuk, that's awful. Hate to say it, but I agree with the post above. Can't see WF paying damages after the declared it was fake. Even if they have photos that shoe it arrive in good nick, they won't share them with you to confirm their liability.

    TBF, box and papers means nothing in terms of authentication. Any watch can be put in any box.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,230 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    it had the warranty card from the dealership where the buyer purchased it from that can be checked on the tag heuer website, it wasn’t a random bit of paper 👍🏻

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,148 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I know it wasn't random bits of paper (and I not suggest it was actually fake).
    I'm pointing out that if some is producing a fake, it's not hard find a legitimate serial to attached to it.
    I'd also imagine that somebody has at some stage, sold on their legit box and papers, with a clone in the box, as a once off. People are sh1tty



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,230 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    the staff at watch finder should be able to spot a clone in seconds, this entire situation was handled very poorly

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭Darwin


    In hindsight I have to agree, WF have handled the whole thing extremely badly. After I reported the damage, their legal rep who handled all the communication with me escalated my case to the head of customer services and I never heard another word which is frankly an appalling way to treat people. It's just unfortunate the small claims court can't deal with this type of thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    watchfinder must be have had to do a major restructuring due to the watch price crash / correction .I wonder has staff training and experience taken a drop hence the likes of this issue occurring ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,148 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Of course they should. Via looking at the actual watch. They don't go "well it has papers and box, must be legit". Which was the poitn I was making. They majorly screwed up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,230 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    genuine watch and a warranty card that can be Verified online with the tag heuer website should be enough to satisfy the watch finder staff member,, you stated box and papers means nothing but in this case it does in my opinion hey ho that means nothing for the poor owner of the watch who now has to repair his own watch sadly

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭Dr Robert




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,896 ✭✭✭Deep Thought


    was there ever any resolution on this?

    The narrower a man’s mind, the broader his statements.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭Darwin


    There was, I'm sorry for not updating here. I decided to go back to my AD as I wanted to determine the cost to repair the damaged bezel and also to get some kind of certificate of authenticity. Tag Heuer quoted a ridiculous amount for the repair and stated that they don't provide quotations for watches that are not authentic (in other words they won't issue a certificate of authenticity, the fact they are offering to repair it means it is authentic). I then decided to go straight to the top and drafted a long email to the CEO of WF outlining all the facts. He emailed me the following morning and promised a thorough investigation and things finally started to happen. I was promptly contacted by their UK service manager and offered my original part exchange price as a cash settlement. It was agreed the watch would be collected but that never happened. Back to the service manager to sort things out. The watch was eventually collected and sent to France and then more BS. My part exchange price was significantly reduced because of the damaged bezel and then this particular individual (in WF France) demanded proof of authenticity. It was going round in circles at this stage, I reverted again to the service manager and finally got payment.



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