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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,980 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    I wonder what that 'human rights lawyer' who is Prime Minister of one the countries arming Israel thinks of that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,738 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Looks like Putin might beat bibi in the race . But Fundamental Christian ethos that the USA was founded for will not allow Israel to fail . No matter how much it costs in both dollars and in death toll

    Post edited by cj maxx on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭freebritney




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,980 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Will FIFA act now that Israel have put one of the Lebanese international footballers in intensive care after their latest terrorist attack on Beirut?…. answers on a postcard



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Not allowed mention those guys around these parts



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,954 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Former British Army officer Andrew Fox wrote this article about Professor Mamode.

    https://mrandrewfox.substack.com/p/professor-nizam-mamode

    Mamode travelled to Gaza with Medical Aid for Palestinians (MAP), which claims to be non-political but, after an investigation in 2015 by NGO Monitor, was revealed as having an alarming pattern of promoting "a polarizing anti-Israel narrative under the guise of medical expertise and facts".

    Mamode's claim that drones were picking-off children day after day is deeply implausible. It is unsupported by any evidence other than the hearsay that he repeats. As he said later in his testimony, he was never anywhere near a drone firing.

    IDF conventional forces don't have the drone capability that Mamode claims they have. Mr Fox has checked with 3 independent sources at various levels of the IDF who have given him reliable and solid insights that have, in the past, proven true. The mere existence of the drone capability doesn't mean that the IDF have it. The IDF have had to raise funds for body armour and medical supplies. The IDF has very high-end capabilities but some of its reservist units have struggled for equipment.

    2 other issues arise:

    Firstly, given the predominant pro-Palestinian narrative of the IDF targeting civilians and the constant flow of footage out of Gaza, it's inconceivable that there would not be footage of this if it had happened.

    Secondly, we're expected to believe that a child who has been repeatedly shot by an IDF drone would survive. It's possible that Gazan children are exceptionally hardy but there's a dichotomy here. The IDF are accused of being high-tech assassins of innocents, whilst simultaneously being the worst shots on the planet, unable on a daily basis to finish-off a wounded child. It makes no sense.

    Whether or not Mamode is a fluent speaker of Arabic is unknown. It's possible that he relied on an interpreter who gave the Hamas line. He admits that there's no evidence other than hearsay for the things he described.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,478 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Pull the other one

    "NGO Monitor is a right-wing organization based in Jerusalem that reports on international NGO (non-governmental organisation) activity from a pro-Israel perspective.[4][5][6][7]

    The organization was founded in 2001 by Gerald M. Steinberg under the auspices of the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, before becoming a legally and financially independent organization in 2007.[citation needed]

    NGO Monitor has been criticized by academic figures, diplomats, and journalists for allowing its research and conclusions to be driven by politics,[8][9][10] for not examining right-wing NGOs,[10] and for spreading misinformation.[11] NGO Monitor's stated mission is to "end the practice used by certain self-declared 'humanitarian NGOs' of exploiting the label 'universal human rights values' to promote politically and ideologically motivated agendas".[1] A number of academics have written that NGO Monitor's aims and activities are political in nature.[10][12][9]

    The organization's leader, Gerald M. Steinberg, has reportedly worked for the Israeli Foreign Ministry and the Office of the Prime Minister while heading NGO Monitor.[13]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGO_Monitor



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,739 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    So the Democrats lost the US election because of Bidens support for Israel?

    Yeah, cos the Republicans are so anti-Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,483 ✭✭✭circadian


    Turnout was impacted for the Democrats. Their turnout was much lower than 2020 and Trump won by getting similar number of votes as he did in 2020. I would say it had an impact, especially in Michigan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,245 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Yeah it definitely dampened enthusiasm and the people most likely to be enthusiastic active campaigners for Harris, are the same kinds of people who were bitterly disappointed by her shameful support for genocide.

    The pro Israel voters were all voting for Trump, so it was an open goal for Harris to campaign on human rights and ending all support for genocide. That would have given Democrats and independents someone to vote for, and not just rely on a duty to vote against Trump

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,245 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    And the worst thing is, in 4 years, in the next election no matter how awful Trumps support for Israel ends up being, they can legitimately say that the DNC would have done the same things. Same in the UK and Germany.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,739 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    THe 2 US parties are no different wrt Israel. Unwavering support for genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    As reported by New York Times

    Trumps vote total was similar to before but the number of people voting for democrats collapsed as people stayed at home

    Some Islamic majority towns in swing states went from blue to red

    It’s hard to have any sympathy as this level of nose cutting to spite face has not been seen in wild since Brexit

    Leopards ate my face territory



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Anyone can do a quick Google search of Medical Aid for Palestinians, and NGO Monitor.

    I will take it at face value you haven't done this before you demonised one - which is attempting to provide aid to a maligned people suffering a genocide in possibly the most dangerous location for doctors to work on this earth - and placed the other one in your post as a genuine independent arbiter of this aid organisation.

    I'd ask you to look up both and let us know if you think your assesment is still accurate?

    Lastly, whether this is true or not, the source you provide for saying it didn't happen is the IDF. If they admitted this, they would be admitting to a war crime. Do you think they would admit it if it was true? Do you expect anyone should believe that they would?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    this will stain Bidens's legacy. I think the argument in hs favour was that he would limit his support for the killing if he got re-elected but because that never happened all he is left with is he supported the Israel's for over a year of this operation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,739 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Had the Dems been reelected they would just have continued supplying weapons to kill women and children.

    Blood on their hands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,076 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Just wait until Trump and Huckabee get started. It'll make John Lennon look bloodthirsty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,366 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    One glimmer of hope is that nobody is entirely sure just what Trump thinks of Israel and Netanyahu and whether he would be keen on arming them with many billions of dollars for four years - some analysts suspect he might be a fair weather friend who ultimately doesn't give a toss about them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭taratee


    It isn't and you know it isn't. Stick to the facts. A warning was issued before the attack and the location was attacked for a specific reason. Come on A Dub in Glasgo. You are better than that. For all we know, it could have been the attack below. This man is a valid target. Do you agree?

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭taratee


    There was a warning. Israel always issues a warning before they attack. I know that and you know that, more importantly. Unlike that man in the video, they decided to ignore the warning.

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭felonious_Gru


    Absolutely, the Republicans are more feverish in their public devotion but both provide the same support policy wise

    Biden signed off on more support the other day despite his party loosing the election ( you'd think he had nothing to loose)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    We know what Trumps priorities are and how he behaved in past in the region:

    1. Himself to avoid all court cases and punish anyone who wrong him
    2. Enrich his family (Ivanka and Kushner are now richer than Trump due to all Mid east deals)
    3. America third

    First: Iran directly tried to assassinate Trump and he has now installed some wildly anti Iranian hawks, Iran is enemy of Israel hence Israel are his friend

    Second: Him and his family openly joked in public about all that prime Mediterranean real estate

    Third: Defence companies be busy lobbying for contracts and this directly helps with #2 goal


    The far left and Muslim Americans who either stayed home or voted Trump or third party against democrats are going to be in for a shock and loads of crocodile tears, found it funny that there were reports of celebrations of Trump win in both Israel and Lebanon, one of these are going to be disappointed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,613 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Trump views foreign wars as a waste of money. A big factor in Bolton and Donald falling out was that John wanted a war with Iran, Donald nixed the idea. I am thinking the same thing will happen this time when Rubio and Huckabeee push for war with Iran. It could be even worse for the Palestinians under Trump, but that does not give Joe a free pass . If Huckabee gets his way the Palestinians will be removed from the West Bank, but I don't think Donald will allow that to happen as it risks a wider war breaking out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    I would have agreed with you, but this time Iran came swinging for him

    Last time there wasn’t a direct attempt on his life by Iranians

    Now it’s personal

    BTW he doesn’t give two **** about “waste of money” the federal debt exploded under him including massive increases on military spend, the DOGE will amount to not much more than noise and in few months Trump be saying “Elon whom? Never knew the guy” also Trump tax cuts will need to be renewed soon, which will add trillions more to the debt pile


    there seems to be an awful lot of denial on this thread about Trump and people forgetting what he actually done in past, what he says is often irrelevant as the dementia riddled brain of his often speaks out of both sides and contradicts himself, what he actually has a history of doing is more important



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭taratee


    I love your first sentence. I can't wrap my head around the pro-Trump vibe in Israel either. Moving the capital to Jerusalem is one thing but committing to a war is a completely different ball game. Wars are expensive as we all know. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Trumps drops this like a hot stone when he gets into office. He told Bibi he wants this wrapped up or thereabouts by the time he gets into office. He has a mandate from the American policy and foreign policy is not part of that mandate. Like him or loathe him, the stubborn git will stick to that mandate. A lot of people are going to be disappointed if he does that. I wanted Harris to win for any one of a number of reasons. A continuation of the slow and steady support for Israel was one of them.

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,272 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Kier Starmer is still confused if a genocide is actually taking place or not. He seemed quite clued up on what it is back in 2014 when he was an ICC prosecutor in what happened in Croatia.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,613 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I think he will let it slide, he is consistent in his opposition to American boots on the ground in a foreign war. He might not mind wasting money on others things, but he seems opposed to it when it comes to direct American involvement in a foreign war.

    I think the Iranians are keen to avoid an escalation because they know if they give Nethanyu the pre text to strike Iran again there will be no limits this time imposed on him. I still think the likelihood of war with Iran is less under his watch, whereas as with Biden the tit for tat game would have gone on, possibly leading to war.

    I suspect Iran will go back to using its proxies now.

    However Trump is not going to stop Israel from resettling Gaza. He will probably remove the sanctions from the settler movements in the West Bank too. So overall he is a disaster for the Palestinians ,but again this does not excuse Biden. His legacy is stained now, giving Ukraine permission to use long range weapons into Russia won't change that- it has come far too late.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,843 ✭✭✭facehugger99




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Iran can be hurt quite strongly without a single American “boot” on the ground (which if you remember Trump 1.0 did do)

    I suspect this is how it be sold to Trump by Israelis who have no such qualms



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,366 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    There is something very weird going on between UK Labour and Israel - I've seen suggestions they are very compromised because of that 'Labour Friends of Israel' lobby group and relations with the Israeli embassy (talk of dodgy funding practices and money changing hands).



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