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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Was there anything posted about these reports.

    Sky news again with their "led to the death of" rather than "murdered". But they still can't put a gloss over the story of Gaza's most renowned (worldwide) surgeon who was arrested and taken to a detention camp where he was beaten over and over again. Then moved to a prison where the beating continued until he died.

    It's sickening the way the West gives cover to the evil zionists. Systematically targeting and dismantling any remnants of healthcare system in Gaza with medical staff bravely trying to save as many lives of innocent men, women and kids as they can.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭freebritney


    Can anyone, anyone with even an iota of integrity, tell me of another conflict in the last 50 years in which this surgeons murder is not headline news around the world without Israel having massive influence in the media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    So it’s a good thing when Ireland has oversized influence, but somehow a bad thing when Israel does?

    If Ireland was using it's influence to accomplish genocide, it would also be bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,980 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    You cannot say that because ….. Hamas… anti-semitism… pogrom…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    No I think it’s disappointment and a feeling of betrayal by Ireland. There’s a forest in Israel named for Eamonn DeValera, which says something of how Ireland used to be seen there. (DeValera visited Israel in the 1959s)

    I see it that Israel betrayed what they once were.

    There were many links between the Jewish struggle for a homeland in Palestine, and the Irish republican struggle here. Jewish terror groups, as they would have been called then, were deeply inspired by Republicanism and adopted names and tactics of the IRA flying columns. They had similar socialist leaning ideals to the early Irish state. Israel's first head rabbi was an Irish speaking sinn fein supporter, his son became Israel's fifth or sixth president. For years student exchanges were extremely common between both countries etc, there were strong connections which dissipated over time when it became clear of the apartheid nature of the country.

    Whereas some people might think Ireland has lost its way in our evolution as a state, the current iteration of Israel is so far removed from the aims of it's founders it is unrecognisable.

    The genocide that is currently being carried out is completely at odds to the aims of Israel's founding fathers, and to the holocaust survivors who vowed "never again".

    When they said that, they were not talking about protection of Jews, but all maligned people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭seablue


    Interesting, wasn't aware that Eamon de Valera visited Israel.

    I see negative comment online about him signing a book of condolences for Hitler.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭freebritney


    The saddest part is i just copied and pasted my post from yesterday in which another surgeon gave evidence in the UK parliment of quadcopters picking off injured children following missile strikes and added the word murder.

    I honestly cannot see how the western goverments can recover from this. How can they go to any country in the world and lecture them on ethics of laws of war when all the despot will do is take out his phone and show them reems of Israeli war crimes. The US is willing to undo every post war advancement in global diplomacy, the ICJ, the UN, the ICC, in order to defend a little colony in the Middle East with no natural resources or strategic significance. I have yet to see or read one genuine or plausible reason for America, Germany and the UK committing diplomatic Harakiri over Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭freebritney


    The collapse of the Soviet Union had a big impact on the demograhics as over a million mainly orthodox and right wing Jews from the former bloc moved to Israel in the 90's, this caused a big increase in settlement expansion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,980 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    This is what happens when a state is created that is sectarian and allows anyone in the world move there simply because of their religious persuasion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    To an extent, yes - but at the same time this is a typical move by settler colonialist states.
    At first, they tend to want to keep the colony "pure" - but over time, as they want to shore up and then expand their colony, they need more manpower and relax the immigration restrictions.

    Australia used to have a "white Australia" policy, the American colonies (prior to US independence) didn't want Catholics coming in, then they didn't want Chinese, nowadays they want to stop S. Americans. Each and every move doomed to failure because the economy demands cheap labour to keep living standards high for the in-group.

    South Africa, always having a Black majority, introduced tighter and tighter restrictions on non-whites until the system collapsed in on itself.

    In the beginning, Israel didn't want Middle Eastern jews, but eventually they realised that setting up a state in hostile surroundings is a numbers game - so they changed tack, taking in anyone who could be reasonably assimilated - and nowadays even allow in substantial numbers of "gastarbeiters" with darker skin, who will never receive citizenship.

    Atpresent, they are unable to attract many immigrants, and going forward they will attract fewer and fewer. The state is starting to implode, but the process is a long one and could take a generation or two. And it will be mayhem all they way down.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,749 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    There wasn't any "book of condolences for Hitler".

    DeValera visited Eduard Hempel on the 2nd of May to discuss the situation that Germany faced and offered condolences then. It was done so merely as a matter of course in diplomatic relations. A few weeks earlier DeValera had visited David Grey, despite a mutual loathing, to offer his condolences on the death of Roosevelt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭felonious_Gru


    Imagine if swede's and Norwegians began arriving in clontarf claiming a birthright to the property based on historical connection ?,same nordics lived in Dublin more recently than most Jews did in Palestine two thousand years ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    From your post, it appears that you approve of setting up a Jewish state.

    Are there any other religions that you think should be able to set up a state for themselves? 7th-Day Adventists, Presbyterians, Bahai?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,366 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    That's correct : part of the problem is that the Irish press at the time mis-reported or badly worded what had happened and gave the impression he had called into the German embassy.

    Ironically, Dev was very fond of Jewish people and their faith and had several Jewish friends. He was definitely no anti-Semite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Still bashing Biden? I suspect in a few months you be looking back with nostalgia at his days while Gaza is being bulldozed for Trump resorts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    I know you're suggesting all those "missing" jews went to israel. And many did; but many went elsewhere. Many N. African Jews went to France; many from further east emigrated to the USA, where the door was open for them.

    In Ireland, there is a narrative that in the War of Independence we genocided our protestants, ignoring that many young men went to fight in France in WW I, and died there; many others who survived returned to a country in the throes of a war, and decided to emigrate to Britain or one of the colonies which were encouraging immigration from the "home countries" at the time.

    Similarly in the Middle East, it was a time of turmoil, with many states gaining independence from their colonial overlords. It is simplistic to say that the Jews were forced out, although that is not to say it never happened. Even where it did happen, and where those ME jews went to Israel they were treated as second class citizens there. So in reality not a great difference from dhimmi.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    If you consider asking why Biden spoke out about some soccer hooligans losing a fight they started in Amsterdam but remained silent about the raping to death of a doctor by the IDF as “bashing” then yes I am.
    If we look back on the killing of tens of thousands of children with Nostalgia then I can’t imagine that future.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,366 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Widely reported that a member of the Lebanese women's national soccer team was very seriously injured by an air strike in Beirut by the Israelis yesterday.

    Let's see if FIFA have anything to say on the matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    There’s an election coming up here, I recommend you run on a platform of boycotting two of Ireland main sources of employment and trade and see how far you get.

    The bizzare hate for Biden by the left has already helped get a much worse Trump elected and I see no lessons have been learned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I dislike religion and think it divides us. I'm just observing reality. What other religions have states? There are many Christian, islamic and secular states. I'm sure other religions have states too. And obviously there is 1 Jewish state. Nationalism imo is good. When it's driven by religion I believe it's bad. Religions when followed by the book are not very compatible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    Biden - and by implication, Harris - was not owed a vote by anyone. Nor is any politician.

    A vote has to be earned, although it is all too often given with little thought. Biden in 2020 won a landslide, several million more than Trump won a fortnight ago despite the population growth in the meantime. There were many factors involved at the time, but mainly the disgust at Trump.

    Biden threw that advantage away, in part due to his zionism. Then there was a months-long campaign to get him to stand aside owing to his constant (dementia-based) gaffes. There was no way he was going to be re-elected, owing to being incompetent in the legal sense. But his zionist appointees and supporters knew they were onto a good thing, and would not permit his removal, as they had a free hand under his non-existent tutelage and control. IIRC it was reported back in the summer that he signed all control over US foreign policy to Blinken, a rabid naZionist. I hope Blinken ends up in court in the Hague.

    For Harris or any other Democrat to win, they would have had to attract the votes of those who strongly disapproved of Blinken and Biden's genocide. Harris certainly did nothing to attract any of those votes. End of.

    Mod Edit: Warning issued for breach of forum charter

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Elections are often about choosing the least worst option

    All the moaning and demonising of Biden by the far left has accomplished is put an even more anti Palestinian lot in place

    Congratulations



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    Time will tell, but comments from naZionist supporters like the one above make me feel that they may not be so sure that this is the case.

    I think there was a report the other day that one of Trump's men was meeting an Irani ambassador the other day. I would love to have been a fly on the wall at that meeting. Remember that Trump has only one loyalty: to himself. Everything else - Absolutely everything else - is negotiable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭freebritney


    This sums it up very well. The early zionists recognised that in order for the movement to have any long term chance of success they had to intigrate and assimilate into the region, however the more extreme right wing elements began to take control from the late 1920's onwards. I don't think people realise how extreme the right of zionism is, not alone can they not live alongside Arabs, but Arabs can not even live or work on Jewish land and when you view Jewish land as Greater Israel, then you can see the problem.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,613 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I can't see Donald's cabinet lasting the full term without resignations and firings. You've got war hawks pitted against isolationists, who view foreign wars as a waste of money.

    The likes of Huckabee and Rubio will be bucking already that Elon met with the Iranians. Those lads are only itching for a war with Iran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Not in all states. Christianity and Islam for example started in one small part of the world and aggressively spread all over it like a cancer. Judaism has done far less damage but as we see lately it has indeed done damage. But let's not get all High and mighty now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,729 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Donald loves firing people anyway, it's the only tool in his box when it comes to business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,980 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Zionists have an unhinged fascination and support of sexual violence and rape



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,478 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    One of tens of thousands -

    "It was the morning of 8 June when Ahmed Damoo got the call that his home, a small concrete building in the Nuseirat refugee camp in central Gaza, had been hit by an IDF rocket. When he returned to what was left of his house, he learned his family had been buried beneath the rubble.

    One by one, his neighbours had dragged the bodies from the debris. Among the dead were Damoo’s in-laws and his two children, Hala, 13, and Mohannad, 10, who had been playing in the living room when they were killed. His wife, Areej, and toddler, Tala, had sustained serious injuries but were still alive.

    His last child, 12-year-old Mazyouna, could not be located. When Damoo eventually found her, he almost passed out.

    “Her face was ripped off and her jaw was literally hanging,” he recalls. “My beautiful little girl was completely unrecognisable.”

    At al-Aqsa hospital, doctors used what little resources they had to stitch Mazyouna’s face back together and hold the remaining structure in place."

    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/nov/15/gaza-war-children-humanitarian-aid-mazyouna-israel-refuses-medical-evacuation



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Its almost like they're descended from a war tribe in the Caucasus mountains known for that. But they aren't of course. They're very native to Israel.



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