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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Yeah sounds about right, I got lucky with the traffic at that roundabout (for once) so didn't want to stop for the look

    Pavillions shopping centre also have planning permission to put a pretty gargantuan 2700 panels on their roof, probably up to 1.1MW with conventional panels

    Haven't noticed any works started yet though, I hope they get a move on

    You'd imagine they'd be an excellent candidate for a battery store as well, demand is probably extremely variable with people cranking the heating up or down in their rooms all day

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    You can only see the south facing roof from the road, but planning docs confirm they've plastered every available roof space. Just shy of 200kWp.

    https://planning.agileapplications.ie/fingal/application-details/95959

    Fair play.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,829 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    I've seen them in the UK too, obviously a whole company effort, well done to them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Probably understandable in the UK where electricity seems more expensive than gold

    As you say though, great to see the company making the effort

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,021 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    For the people using lifepo4 wrong and living in fear of degradation

    Always go from 0% to 100% basically because no matter what you do they will lose capacity due to calendar aging anyway so you're just wasting money going between 20 to 80%



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭deezell


    The last 10-15% is more inefficient to charge, you'll put in significantly more kwh than you'll get out, so if you're charging off the grid, then back to FIT in daytime or self use, you're saving very little on that top kwh of a 5kwh battery, just ageing it quicker with heat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Heat is nothing when charging with a PV inverter (especially in Ireland), batteries work best at 21c too, watch the video 😉

    But this is more for people with big DIY banks not 5kw pylontechs, 10% there makes no difference either way



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,021 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Tell me without telling me you have no experience with LFP batteries, There's nothing correct about that statement 😂.

    The AC/DC conversion loss is constant.

    At the charge rates, LFP don't get warm.

    Charge rates do slow near the top but with LFP it's really only when the batteries are 99% full (due to the voltage charge curve of LFP) so even when it does slow down to high state of charge.. the amount of power it uses to charge also reduces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭deezell


    I suppose tesla are wrong then to suggest 80%. Sure what would they know.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,829 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Tesla say 100% on their LFP battery pack, its the Lit Ion packs that they suggest 80% for normal day to day.

    Tesla know their stuff



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,021 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    My point exactly. The 80% on Li-Ion is for battery life and prevention of degradation. Not that charging 80-100% is more inefficient or somehow just burns power. Just charges slower.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭deezell


    Very much slower, so the overhead of the BMS system is higher in relation to the trickle power bring inserted into the cells, and even if the energy transfer of this voltage sensitive charge phase was as efficient as the mid constant current phase, it's not ideal to have a power shifting device effectively out of service on a trickle charge, when it could be pushing it back out as FIT.

    I wonder why so many mobile phone batteries die after a few short years, despite having abundant processing power to micro tune the last trickle stage of charging? It all depends on how cautious the BMS are in the final fifth. Perhaps more years of evidence needed before we can definitively say that actual100% is good for your cells in the long term. I say actual to distinguish the practice of manufacturers underrating their cells to give them some headroom for protection, which is a good idea in any engineering field.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    it's not really fair though to compare the two (mobile phones and house batteries). Different chemistries and as a result different charging power curves. Lithium batteries, as in the ones in your phones don't really like being at 100% and constantly being charged to 100%. Your dead right - constantly charging these guys to 100% over time degrades them.

    I noticed on my S23 (a year old now) that Samsumg have a feature where they allow the user to "protect" the battery and prolong it's life by setting max change to 80%. I use this myself for day to day use, and if ever I think I'm going to need the full charge like travelling on a plane etc, I set it to go to 100%.

    House batteries though (at least the LiFePo ones) don't suffer the same way. You can "have at it" to 100% all the time without fear of degragation. I wouldn't personally store them at 100% for months on end if your not using them, but no massive downside to charging LiFePo batteries to 100%. I would not go under 5-10% though, that CAN cause issue, but you should have 90% of your battery usable.

    Good video explain the usage cases is….

    Green Friday CE IE wide



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    If you go to 0% and more or less immediately charge them back up is fine, just not good if they stay there for too long.

    But yeah 5-10% is a good stopping point, gives you a bit of a buffer in case of an outage, you can make a few cups of tea 😂



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,021 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    This current discussion is about Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries.

    A battery management system BMS, doesn't physically control the charge. It's power requirement is static. And tiny. It only steps in if something is going wrong and disconnects the battery.

    It may tell the charger/inverter what it wants though. So theres no extra power use from that end.

    As for the charger inverter end, I'm measuring about a 8% loss from AC into the inverter and DC into the battery. Might try taking my inverter off grid and see if I can measure the DC DC loss sometime.

    It didn't matter if I was charging at full speed or topping off the battery at 99.5% the power in Vs power out loss is about the same.

    As for pushing it out for FIT, the inverter can trickle charge the battery and export AC at the same time, it's not an either or situation.

    New phones. Well that's a different story… they were live fast die young, new phone please.

    Could be changing, my pixel 7 is 2 and a bit yrs and battery is currently fine Vs my previous phone when it was 2 yrs. This one does have adaptive charging, so it charges slower etc.

    That's actually another point solar batteries rarely reach 0.5c charge rate, phones on a fast charger, assuming a 2000mAh battery at 45W is something like 6c.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭DC999


    That time of year again to look at energy usage. We've reduced 2500kWh of gas heating per year by adding 2 small electric rads (over the last 2 winters). I did that intentionally to reduce the amount of gas we use. It's a 20 year old boiler that started with 79% efficiency. Whose guess as to how low that is now.

    The rooms the electric rads are in a much more comfortable and stay at the exact temp we want.

    Ok, small house and we don't mind lower temps than most. And it's a poor BER, which we're slowly working on improving for this heating season. And of course we're not saving energy (well, we are on the gas boiler that is likely 60% off efficient V electric rads), more substituting some gas for some electric heating.

    Dream would be DIY heatpump hence the fluting around to see what we're need. But that's down the list of other household jobs to do



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,698 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Folks, it isn't LiFePo, it's LiFePO4.

    The difference is whether you die of radiation poisoning or not.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,021 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Po is alpha decay, you'll be fine unless you're eating the batteries!



  • Posts: 2,704 [Deleted User]


    Pfizer Ringaskiddy are working on a large Pv system on car park canopies. I've no details as I only saw them working on it today, they were fitting the panels in the piddling rain.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,277 ✭✭✭con747


    A large ground system just outside of Kinnegad.

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    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭mjatkey


    Guys, I'm telling you there is money to be made in this solar idea!? Plus of course saving the planet.

    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    The amount of commecial solar farms going up these days is insane and I reckon they are downplaying or not really drawing attention to it because it means a rugpull for domestic solar systems is nearly upon us



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭conor_mc


    If you look at the UK, it’s more likely that farmers get up in arms over “good agricultural land” and nimby’s over their pristine views being destroyed. Plus, it’s really only a drop in the ocean and not much to write home about if we’re being really honest with ourselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭deezell


    Massive solarfarm built 5km from me went in without a mention, poor bog land, the sheep can still graze under it. What's to complain about. (There was ructions though about the windmills originally planned).

    Google image not fully up to date.

    Screenshot_20241119_092507_Maps.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,698 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    That's Hortland Solar Farm: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1127876123



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭deezell


    What's the capacity on sunny day I wonder? The only nimby issue they had was being forced to run the 3 phase HT underground on the public road for several km to get to the HT grid. Complete nonsense and must have cost a fortune.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    One interesting thought I have is how the passive income from solar compares to the profit (not income) from farming

    Let's say for example I have 100 acres. Apparently you can get over €1000 per acre per year from solar farms, and it's indexed linked so grows with inflation every year for 20 years or something

    I've no doubt that you can make more income by farming the land, but the costs are also greater plus you have to actually do some work

    So in that context €100k of passive income for sitting on my arse all day does seem pretty attractive. I could have a small hobby farm or do some other work to supplement my income, and I probably wouldn't be up at 5am every day doing back-breaking labour

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,021 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    €1000/acre. You won't be making that by farming.

    Easy counting example, good tillage land, you put in winter barley, that could yield up to 4t/acre

    Barley off the combine this year is coming in at 210, possibly a bit more if you go for the malting... That's not even €900/acre.

    You still have to pay for seed, fertiliser(4t/ha has to be fed well), sprays and also the work (ploughing, seeding, fert spreading, spraying, harvesting).

    If leasing land for farming, your chatting €100-200/acre/year and the margins are tight on that if you are looking for any profit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,823 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    not quite that simple though, they need to get a fully permitted project with access to grid, so really depends on how buildable a project is on your land, how far you are from a substation and what kind of grid offer they can get. all that can take years.



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