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Unsolved Irish Mysteries.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 530 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    There might be unintended good from this, someone who provided a cover story for someone might now come forward, or there is someone out there who now knows because of modern DNA its only time till they are caught when they use to think they got away with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,669 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Same thoughts as myself. I was under the impression (based on other recent articles) that Gardaí were never able to search the land in the previous 30 years 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 530 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    I wonder is there much difference between men who plan to rape and murder women and men who rape and or murder a woman they randomly encounter such as giving the woman a lift.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭Baasterd


    I have seen mentions of an alibi being withdrawn as one of the push factors for the arrest…would make some sense, just enough to push to this point but nothing definitive.

    Sadly without a confession, an informant or a body this looks like its gong back to being a cold case, hope not though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭Baasterd


    That has been suggested elsewhere, but it's easy to speculate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 621 ✭✭✭Woodcutting


    Me too understood the owner wouldn't allow them in to search



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 971 ✭✭✭blackvalley


    An aspect of the case that has been discussed here already is the reported sighting of a naked distressed woman running through the village of Moone on the night of the disappearance. I find it extraordinary that someone ( two witnesses apparently ) could see such a thing and not immediately go to her assistance . Now of course the witnesses could be elderly or incapacitated and unable to help but otherwise I can’t fathom how anyone could witness such a thing and simply think “ oh I must ring the police “



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 530 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    Can anyone stop searches if their land if the Gardai want to search it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭OnTheCorner


    I’ve been watching this with great interest the last few days and I was thinking that there will be a very interesting conversation when this guy gets back home. Are the family aware of what may have happened? Are they covering something up? Now that the glare of the media is on them and the family house will that change? Would be very interesting to to be a fly on the wall there!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,429 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Apparently the gardai would have to get a court warrent requiring sufficient evidence, and what's been intimated here in the past is that influence may have been used to stymie this, which is probably only speculation again.

    It is hard to see much more coming from this barring a revelation.

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,987 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    You can prevent a search unless they have a search warrant. They must give a judge a reason for a warrant

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    Probably not if guards get a search wattant not but we are talking about searching a politicans property here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,846 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Oh for FCUK Sake.

    People should do an ounce of research before posting that sort of rubbish here.

    There was no sighting of a woman running naked through Moone on the night of the disappearance.

    There was a woman barefoot seen running from a car and being held back by two men but that was miles away in Co Waterford.

    Whatch the Crimecall video someone posted earlier, it is a good summary of what they knew back in 1997.

    The reason no one reported it was because it didn't happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    Pray tell Fr Tod, what research have you done, apart from clicking that crimecall link?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,987 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It's amazing the way stories get legs. I remember in secondary school a teacher showed us how rumours start. He whispered to the first lad something like "Ted like girls" by the time it got to the last ( 15 in the class and nobody could repeat there sentence a second time to the listener) Ted father was nearly having his way with her. It was all down to people misshearing what was said

    The other one spouted here is that some Gardai said she was wrapped in plastic and buried 10' deep on the farm. Now I cannot imgine a Garda repeating that even if he knew it for sure. What probably happened was a Garda was asked if he taught she was on that farm and he replied, " if she is she is 10' wrapped in plastic". The reason he would say wrapped in plastic is with silage there is always a lot of plastic on farms. However if I was burying anything it quicklime would be going on it.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Im nearly ce

    Huh? You should do a little bit more research.

    https://www.sundayworld.com/crime/irish-crime/trucker-saw-screaming-woman-running-naked-on-night-of-jo-jo-dullard-disappearance/40956115.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 621 ✭✭✭Woodcutting


    I am not a legal person but I would say the Garda would need a search warrant. In one press article Gardai were quoted as telling JoJo's family the fact he changed his story when originally spoken to is not enough to get a search warrant.

    He was spoken to a couple times in the early days and his stories had inconsistencies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,429 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    We all had fun with the teacher and the Chinese whispers game ffs.

    "The other one spouted here" is from a newspaper article and what the family claim a garda told them.

    Whatever you imagine…

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,846 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Call we a snob or a fool or what you want but I'm not believing some report in The Sunday World that I'm not also seeing on RTE, or The Irish Times or even The Irish Independent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 621 ✭✭✭Woodcutting


    Read report didn't say why it didn't progress. Curtin?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 621 ✭✭✭Woodcutting


    Must have had a lot of evidence to get the two extensions to the full 24 hours though I think he was released a little before the full 24



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,987 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    He opted to take rest periods which automatically extend the detention period

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,459 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    I don't know. They're both rapists and murderers although the former would be deemed intrinsically evil or a homicidal maniac while the randomer could be deemed perfectly sane but with an underlying propensity to take risks including committing criminal acts. A Sociopath, maybe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 213 ✭✭Mormegil


    The Irish Independent did publish the same story on the same date as the Sunday World.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/truck-driver-tells-gardai-he-saw-woman-running-naked-and-screaming-through-village-on-the-night-of-jo-jo-dullards-disappearance/40957273.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    Watching back the Crimeline link ,this looks like similar cover ups by AGS,various unverified sightings of the victim ,wanting to talk to English guys suspect of robbing coins out of telephone another 60 miles away, mainly deflecting attention away from the real suspect and any randomer could easily have been stitched up for this if they were in the wrong place at the wrong time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,803 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    Btw it was Jo Jo sister that claimed an ex Garda had told her that Jo Jo had been raped and murdered and buried 10ft and wrapped in plastic. Only way that could have been true was if there was a confession that was recinded. Think far more likely that what was said was taken out of context.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭Field east


    how did the current suspect come to the notice of the Garda in the first place . Did he tell them , when he heard that a young girl was last seen in Moone , having got a lift to there , has gone missing , that he was the person that gave her a lift to Moone. Or was he ‘forced ‘ to come forward because a description of a car like his was seen in the area and he felt that ‘ the game was up’ . I am curious to know when did he voluntary come forward - if he did. Or was he first approached by the guards or what.

    My memory tells me that he came forward voluntarially. I cannot recall how long it took him to come forward



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Absolutely agreed. According to some on here AGS are infallible. Corruption doesn't or didn't exist are they are in no way incompetent. LOL. Posters discounting stories because they weren't in their newspaper of choice. Posters questioning the Dullards themselves. AGS sullied this girls reputation. Given how strange rural Ireland was back then it probably worked to some degree.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 971 ✭✭✭blackvalley


    Perhaps YOU should do some research before jumping down people’s necks

    . The Irish Independent did publish the same story on the same date as the Sunday World.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/truck-driver-tells-gardai-he-saw-woman-running-naked-and-screaming-through-village-on-the-night-of-jo-jo-dullards-disappearance/40957273.html



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