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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,631 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Probably also have to take into account that Twitter are changing their TOS to mean all your content will be used as AI training for Twitter's AI "Grok", and Musk is currently trying to say that you can give your medical symptoms, PET, MRI scans etc to Grok and it can diagnose you. So I'm sure some people want the freedom to post that they shat themselves after eating too much KFC without training Grok to recommend to constipated people that they go to KFC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Your post implies it imo. Up to you whether you agree with that or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭randd1


    That's a part of it.

    A bigger part of it is no-one really knew what her policies were, or what she was standing for other than being being not-Trump.

    And an even bigger part of it was that voters simply didn't trust her on the economic side of things as it has hurt them in recent years, or believed she was going to improve their lot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,612 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    I get the impression listening various broadcasts that the whole culture war/ gender identity /Title IX / womens sport controversy played a much bigger part in the outcome than expected. In particular the messing about with Title IX by the Biden administration which which seems to have annoyed a lot of Americans. All people should of course be protected and respected but not used as pawns. Womens sport for women only is a very powerful message from the Trump Camp, and anything to do with sex & gender seems to be high on Trumps list of things to fix urgently. Too much woke stuff being pushed by the Biden /Harris administration.

    … and the Americans said No.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Well NYT today, people were questioning what i was pointing at yesterday

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/11/us/politics/democrats-trump-harris-turnout.html


    Voters in liberal strongholds across the country, from city centers to suburban stretches, failed to show up to vote for Vice President Kamala Harris at the levels they had for Joseph R. Biden Jr. four years earlier, contributing significantly to her defeat by Donald J. Trump, according to a New York Times analysis of preliminary election data.

    I am anti Trump because he is a despicable human turd 💩

    But still it’s hard to have any sympathy for democrats who stayed home or voted against Kamala “because Gaza”, there hasn’t been that level of nose cutting to spite face since Brexit



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,493 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    A bigger part of it is no-one really knew what her policies were, or what she was standing for other than being being not-Trump.

    This doesn't really stand up to scrutiny when examined.

    She spent 100s of millions on Ads in the swing states pushing and explaining her policies.

    If people didn't know what her policies were that is wilful ignorance on their behalf and more to do with the soundbite culture in America.

    Also at least she had policies. Again this is the acute different standards at play.

    As for being not-Trump. This is actually one of the missteps of her campaign, she should have doubled down on it but she went the other way.

    When she launched her candidacy she pitied herself as the Attorney against the Felon, the sex abuser, the tax dodger, etc.

    This was dropped for a reason, an unbelievable one if true.

    Apparently Some jobsworth decided that attacking Trumps criminal record would play bad with Felons. Not enough facepalms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,872 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Alot of the people I saw who are moving across , Carol Vorderman, Mehdi Hassan etc are constantly pushing politics on people so they don't just want a nice and happy social media platform free from politics they just don't want people calling them out on their nonsense constantly.

    Fair enough for people who just want harmless content etc but when it's actually people who are engaged in political discussion constantly then they should be called out for just not liking their opinions being challenged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,790 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    But that doesn't account for the 750k (I believe that's the figure) who moved across.

    Twitter was always bad, but now thanks to promoting whatever a blue tick says, it's turned into a complete cesspool. Think of it like this. Someone who replies with a thoughtful, well sourced response will always be shown below the guy shouting the N word. Because the abusive guy is paying elon a few dollars a month. It doesn't matter if the first guy has 200 likes and the abusive guy has zero.

    And that's before you think about the algorithm and how it promotes users into your feed.

    There's no incentive to participate unless you have a blue tick. And for a lot of people, that's enough reason to leave.

    And that's not even considering the complete lack of moderation. It's essentially a micro blogging version of 4chan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,631 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Not to mention the absolute bombardment of the worst ads and promoted tweets; usually either crypto scams (often using Musk's own image and purporting to be from him as Musk seemingly can't even stop scambots using his image on his own platform), someone promoting their generic "philosophy", or dropshipping nonsense of stupid Temu junk or whatever.

    At this stage I myself am considering jumping over to Bluesky. I don't post on my Twitter anyway, only use it for the Following tab. The replies pretty much to every post from someone reasonably well known tends to just be an absolute septic tank.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,045 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Do you think either of them made up the stat in the chyron at the bottom of the screen?

    Did you see Nick Fuentes comments from last week? It is completely believable that since last week, people in certain communities feel significantly less safe than they did before.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,631 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    And I'd say everyone who has something that is their pet subject is extrapolating something that relates to the topic. Either way, the US is gonna become a far more inhospitable place for minorities and I wouldn't be viewing it as a victory against wokeism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭amandstu


    I think working class and middle class are different concepts than they are over here.

    Seems a lot to unpack.

    When I was younger it was said that radicals dressed like the working class but didn't work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,493 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Trump has made a lot of mental promises on his way to the White House.

    The loons and criminals he cosied up to have the receipts.

    First up Pardoning the January 6th "Hostages".

    The leader of the GOP, the party who is tough on crime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,872 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    No but it does account for a lot of high profile people moving over.

    Admittedly twitter isn't perfect but at least you constantly get a variety of views on it.Also they didn't seem to have a problem when it was right wing views being censored on it in the pst and it pushing left wings views to the forefront all the time.

    I get loads of recommendations for posters I don't ever agree with on twitter, I just seems like the lefties like to whine when they get posts from people they disagree with popping up on their feed but I happens to others aswell.

    They made a stupid mistake getting rid of the feature to see posts order by most recent, particularly this week most of all as it would have been handy for seeing people getting th piss taken out of them for recent predictions they made rather than having to scroll for ages.

    Also they should have put a feature in that anyone who was an elected representative or going for election is not allowed to turn off replies or block/mute people.If they can't deal with feedback/criticism or stand up for their views properly they shouldn't be seeking election in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,631 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I wouldn't say it's some particularly left wing position to have an issue with avowed white supremacists being on the platform. A platform happily boosting the likes of Fuentes and Loomer is one I'm happy to not be a part of. Going forward I'd be more concerned about how it's used by Musk in terms of breaching privacy and simply for propaganda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,493 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    .Also they didn't seem to have a problem when it was right wing views being censored on it

    Twitter was a dumpster fire long before Trump. It has now basically turned into a Trump echo chamber very much by design, by the literal owner who is using Trump to primarily enrich himself more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,493 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    If Trump allows Musk to take a 2 trillion dollar axe to the federal government.

    Trump won't be taking responsibility for the results of that, he will burn Musk like he does everyone else. In typical fashion.

    "I didn't really know the guy - Fake News!".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,658 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    It's not surprising they're worried because they've been convinced by the likes of CNN and hysterics on tik tok that they'll be put in camps or rounded up to be killed. And now cnn are telling them to cut off their families when many of them seem to be suffering from mental health crises. What could possibly go wrong?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,694 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    I don’t know: if the best defence you can make is a “both-sides” one, it doesn’t seem like you think either side has any moral high ground.

    Unless you actually think that encouraging young, distressed people to cut themselves off from their families over political differences is somehow going to improve their situation?

    Especially in a country with unaffordable mental healthcare.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,743 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    1 : What was the size of the group that changed their vote from 2020 to 2024 away from voting Dem?

    I have no idea. Neither does anyone else yet.

    2: Is it a disparate group or a coherent group ?

    More than likely a disparate group made up of people who are completely disillusioned with the American body politic. Disillusioned because they see it as inherently corrupt and ineffective for them and the people on the lowest rungs of society. And those rungs are becoming more and more numerous on the societal ladder.

    The Biden Administration has an impressive set of data on paper. America's GDP looks great, the economy is doing pretty well and they've recovered from the very high inflationary period ushered in post-Covid. Unemployment is the lowest in a half a century and he presided over the biggest drop in child poverty since records began.

    However, none of that matters when you can't afford the grocery bill, or your rent, or your petrol. And that's what people understand. A fine set of data on paper and an improving economy means nothing if your pocket economy is still looking unhealthy, and for too many Americans that's the case year on year.

    So, I would suggest that there are many millions of Americans who have simply withdrawn from politics because they believe, rightly or wrongly, that it doesn't matter who's in the White House nothing will really change, because neither party is truly interested in change.

    3 : What does "far left" mean in terms of American politics? (does it have several meanings and are they objective or subjective ?)

    I don't think "far left" means anything in terms of American politics. It's simply a label that's applied to people that another group of people don't like. As I said, Joe Biden is considered to be "far left" by some people over there, which is patently ridiculous. There is no real left of any hue in American political circles because the country has never fostered one in the manner that Europe did. They'll never have a national health service, for instance, or a truly effective welfare system either. If you not doing well in America you'll be left to rot, because as a country they just don't have the same political social norms as western Europe.

    Most people in western Europe look at America and they like the glossy stuff, the razzmatazz, the glitz, etc. But when the curtain is lifted the flipside doesn't look all that appealing. The States can be great if you're doing relatively well, but as soon as you're not it doesn't give a damn about you. And people can find themselves in trouble over there pretty quickly. Just get sick, or lose your job, or be on the end of a divorce.

    America is, in many ways, the land of Libertarian politics (despite the actual Libertarian Party being relatively small). It's the land of I'm Alright Jack.

    They have a video on CNN where Ocasio Cortez asks some of her voters why they voted for her but also for Trump and one said that they both "cared about the working class"

    Because desperate people have fallen for lies and you can't fight Donald Trump's blatant lies with just offering a message of "Well I'm not Trump" which, at the end of the day, was really all that the Harris campaign was offering to people.

    That, in and of itself, may be a good enough reason to vote for her. But for millions of Americans it clearly wasn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,743 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Cut and paste the whole article, please, because it's behind a paywall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    I think that’s against the rules of this site, there’s a few common ways bypass soft paywalls 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,493 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Trump and his Ghouls spent 100s of millions demonising the LGBTQ for the past 2 years.

    But yeah it's CNN that has them worried. 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,631 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The GOP has spent 215 million dollars on attack ads against trans rights this election cycle. Firstly, that clip is an excerpt from the interview and I'm guessing the recommendation is based on family members who are very much so radicalised by Trumpism. Such people will happily espouse anti LGBT propaganda and it wouldn't be unusual for a counselor to recommend reducing contact, setting new boundaries or outright cutting out such family members cause they are perfectly capable of negatively impacting one's mental health.(Moreso even)

    For the record, I have one US family member who has turned his life upside down because of Trumpism, I honestly dread to think what he'd say if one of his children turned out to be LGBT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,809 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    I don't think it's CNN and others' hysteria - and it is hysteria - that has LGBT youth worried. It's the rhetoric that has been coming from Trump and his acolytes, which has been 100% anti-LGBT.

    And there's worse now coming out from all the alt-right bros - "gays back in the closet" etc.

    So, again, I'm not surprised people are worried. I hope I'm wrong and he fails to do anything appalling, due to his general ineptitude.

    Let's remember though, that Trump is a deeply unsophisticated and unsubtle man, so when he says:

    "I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy, he's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it—Jeffrey enjoys his social life."

    He is telling us that he and Jeffrey Epstein had sex with underage girls. There is absolutely no doubt about it. And that is who has been voted in a president. Everyone should be worried.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,223 ✭✭✭Economics101


    The US economy has been performing really well post-Covid, and that should have benefited Harris and the Democrats generally. Consider this from The Eonomist just prior to the election

    https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2024/10/27/americas-glorious-economy-should-help-kamala-harris

    This sounds so ironic in retrospect. Also, earnings, especially for the less-skilled and lower-paid have been rising faster than average. To me it seems a terrible failure in communication by the Dems: failure to ram home the truth that wages have been rising faster than prices, and that therefore real incomes have been increasing. All we seem to have heard was "inflation may have fallen but prices are still too high": dreadful economic illiteracy which was not rebutted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    I said it earlier

    It’s not

    “It’s the economy, stupid”

    But turned out to be

    “It’s the perception of the economy by the stupid”

    By every measure the economy can not get any better and only can get worse now, but hey it’s hard to have sympathy these days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,154 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    They say a picture paints a thousand words, its certainly true in this case.

    Look at all the States Harris won where No ID and Non Photo ID is required to vote.

    No wonder the Republicans want to introduce photo ID requirements for voting.

    Meanwhile Judge Juan Merchan has just agreed to delay Donald Trump’s sentencing in his hush money case while the Manhattan district attorney’s office and president-elect’s lawyers decide how to proceed now that Trump has been reelected.

    Had Trump lost last week, there is no question that they would have tried to jail him. Now they don't know what to do, they're trying to wiggle out of this and save face.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,493 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    To me it seems a terrible failure in communication by the Dems

    They spent 100s of millions on communication.

    You can't make people listen who do not want to.

    Enough people decided to believe Trump when he said the economy is the worst in history.

    It's not 1989, it can be fact checked in seconds, that's the electorates fault, no one elses.



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