Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

There are people who constantly invoke this "far left" idea, but I don't know who these people are supposed to be. Especially in relation to the US.

On the matter of being against what Israel is doing over there, that doesn't make one "left", "far left" "medium left" or any kind of "left". Being against Israel's murderous horror in Gaza isn't about right and left, it's about right and wrong and I very much dislike this idea that's prevalent amongst some quarters that if you're against Israel's ethnic cleansing that you're somehow left wing of some description and if you're pro Israel you're right wing.

It's an extremely bad narrative. There are people who are against Israel's slaughterhouse that come from all around the political spectrum. Framing it as a left vs right thing is extremely shallow. Plenty of people on the right side of the aisle are against what Israel are doing too.

Now, I'm sure that there are people who were very angry with the Democrat's hypocritical stance re: Israel and it may have had the determining factor on whether they stayed at home or not. What isn't determinable is how "left" they lean. But, frankly, that's a better reason for a Dem voter to stay at home than simply disliking the candidate as was the situation with Clinton or worse still just being complacent about Clinton winning which was also the case with a large number of voters in 2016.

Until all the facts are available to study and the reasons for Harris's loss become clearer, blaming it on some nebulous "far left" seems to be completely baseless.

You haven't really answered my quesion except to say that pro palestine doesn't equate to "left" and pro israel doesn't equate to "right".

You also seem to be saying that "left wing" as a description is applied "nebulously"

I will ask again .What would be a clear (non nebulous" way to describe people as "left wing"(in America of course as this is an American based thread) so that we have an idea if we are talking about the same thing?

Someone in this thread suggested that the "extreme left wing" had abstained from voting for Harris.

I am wondering who these people were (however nebulously they may have been described)

Do they exist or are the numbers fictitious in that we need to compare democratic turnout from 2016 rather than 2020( covid times)

Did Trump depress Republican turnout in 2020 with his spurious claims about mail in voting?

Or is this block of some 10 million voters sitting on their arses and effectively voting for Trump a real phenomenon ,whether or not they can be called "left wing" or ,as someone ( @volchitsa ?) said possibly independents?

It's hilarious watching all the lefties on Twitter now advocating for and moving to Bluesky social.

Basically they couldn't bare it that people were allowed to call them out on their bullshit on twitter and they want to migrate to another echo chamber.

Bluesky if it gets bigger will become the same as twitter though as the world isn't a place where only lefty views are allowed and where no calling out of bulshit is tolerated so they'll just end up where they started because they are so full of themselves can't possibly imagine that people might disagree with them and can't tolerate people disagreeing with them.

Over 71 million people voted for her. Hillary won the popular vote in 2016.

I find it hard to believe there is a significant number of Democrats who would stay at home solely because she's a woman.

I suppose he could do that. Could you imagine Trumps reaction ! More interestingly, I saw a video by a fairly left wing American comedian/YouTuber called Lee Camp, where he listed a number of things that Biden could do now , without the Senate or Congress, even if they only last 3 months before Trump reversed them. One was introduce Medicare for all straightaway. Now I don’t know if that’s even feasible in the timeframe, and of course Biden would never do it, but could you imagine if he did, the job Trump would have to take that away from people once they had it ?
Fantasy land of course, but would be great to see.

So two questions (maybe 3)

1 : What was the size of the group that changed their vote from 2020 to 2024 away from voting Dem?

2: Is it a disparate group or a coherent group ?

3 : What does "far left" mean in terms of American politics? (does it have several meanings and are they objective or subjective ?)

They have a video on CNN where Ocasio Cortez asks some of her voters why they voted for her but also for Trump and one said that they both "cared about the working class"

Really depressing .

Not really.

America's only hope is that he sees out his term so that JD Vance does not become president.

AOC asked her Instagram followers, those who voted for her and Trump to tell her why.

She's posted screenshot of many of the responses. Single small case study, but something to look at.

You couldn't make this up.

The polls were neck and neck up until the final few days where some were reported to favor Harris.

Republicans entered the race with a House majority and were always projected to take the Senate.

ThThe only thing surprising about last Tuesday, was the popular vote win for Trump.

Trump and Joe Biden to meet this Wednesday at the oval office.

Biden has vowed that there will be a peaceful transfer of power...because that's what trump did, didn't he?

Trump will need to sign a pledge to say he will avoid conflicts of interest, because he's very ethical, isn't he?

Like Asking a bear not to **** in the woods.

I was referring to in the context of the video which was in relation to crisis calls from LGBT teens. I'm very much so assuming some LGBT people voted for Trump. At no point in my comment did I say "all LGBT people", I'm referring to LGBT people who are particularly hurt by the result which is plenty. But good job at trying to put words in my mouth.

🙉 Sure

It's far more likely that they don't want to see right wing propaganda pieces or plain old racist content because the new algorithms push that when they're simply looking at a recipe for pasta bake or a funny video.

Some people don't actually want to engage with things laced with politics, left or right, and leave platforms that force it upon them.

It's hardly new that people don't like bullsh*t flung at them.

Seeing all the comments under her videoof people thinking she's going to announce the election was rigged is insightful.

For me it really confirms that the extremes on both sides are very much two sides of the same coin.