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Building costs. Jan 2023

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 950 ✭✭✭crinkley


    For anyone for may be interested I've looked over my receipts and budget etc and this is my breakdown of the additional cost for the corner windows (to note I asked both the blocklayer and window installer if they changed their price - blocklayer said no and if anything I was using less blocks, the window installer said the larger windows upstairs did effect installation cost corner ones down stairs did not)

    3 corner windows (prices rounded to nearest euro and incl VAT)

    Steel €3100

    Sills had to be custom made and were 13 euro more than the standard €78

    Comparing similar size single windows roughly 300 extra €900

    Therefore additional cost, for me anyway, per corner window €1360



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 599 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    Can you point to the regulation as I have never heard of it nor can I find any reference to any mandatory certification being required for fitting radon barrier. I would say the majority of radon barrier is not fitted by certified installers as it’s just done by who ever is doing the foundations/ground works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,755 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I would say it more to do with the mortgage drawdown. Mortgage provider lookinh for certification, engineer looking to keep liability away from themselves. Airtightness and vapor barrier not gone that way but will probably trend towards it as well.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 599 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    Mortgage providers don't look for any of this stuff (well in our case anyway), there is a one page tick box building certificate document that the engineer fills and signs accompanied by proof they have professional indemnity insurance. That's all the bank is sent at drawdown time.

    I have certs for plenty of things - raft concrete, corner window steel, stone etc but radon barrier never came into discussion. I bought it, it was fitted by my grounds work man and (presumably) checked by my engineer so I would assume he signs off on it if needs be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,131 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    I have inspected and certified quite a lot of both self build and contractor built houses over the years and never saw a requirement for the radon barrier to be certified other than my usual sign off for the entire build. In fact I can only recall one instance where a specialist was engaged and that was a self build. In saying all that I'm out of that game for the last 10 years so things may well have changed.



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  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    At 8 windows the other guy was talking about that would be €10880 all in. That's a chunk of change. These things all add up during the course of a build.

    In saying that I'd easily believe that some window suppliers would charge 5k per corner window. It's Ireland after all and that sort of gouging is rife and accepted in the industry.

    Not related to you but I see all those who said you can't fit 5 bedrooms into 150 or 160sqm went quiet when I posted some links. When I see lads looking to build 250sqm houses i automatically think trophy houses and macmansions. Then when they complain about the cost of construction it just reaffirms my suspicions.

    250sqm is probably 2.5 times the size of a lot of 3 bed semis. It's needless really. So unless you have the money to build it don't design it and then complain when the quotes come in. Do your homework and research.

    A master bedroom of 40sqm is needless and stupid. Yet I see some of them being done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,658 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    I had a look at those links. To be fair, some seriously small bedrooms.…2.3m wide a few of them. Not my cup of tea. I'd prefer reasonably sized, nicely proportioned rooms. I couldn't live in any of the houses you linked to. My wife's clothes alone would take up more than 1 bedroom.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    3 bed semis are not for everyone though and 250sqm can be used up fairly quick .


    Agree with you about cutting your suit according to your cloth but some people want and can have larger homes ,It doesn’t mean they are trying to show off ,some people just like a bit of extra space .Just because you prefer a small house doesn’t mean those of us that don’t are wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 950 ✭✭✭crinkley


    yeah to be honest if you have to push a single bed up against a wall and still squeeze by it I wouldn’t call it a bedroom. My house is just under 200sqm which has always been described as small, especially in my part of the country but suits my needs. Downside got a few trades who wouldn’t quote as not worth their while when they can get bigger houses. And you couldn’t pay me to live in a semi in an estate I don’t think you can compare that to detached houses on 1/2 acre site



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 599 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    It’s the steel that costs the money with a corner window not the windows which really only being bigger than a normal window that makes them a bit expensive.

    With self build and a bit of thinking you can save money here too though. Most people just go to the likes of Keystone for corner window steel and they charge plenty. I was quoted around 5k (incl vat at 23% as they supply only).

    instead I got it made by a local steel fabricator who made and fitted it for just over 2k (incl 13.5% vat). He got an engineer that he does work for to sign off on it which cost me around 700 euro so all in about 2.7k vs 5k.


    As for house size there are a lot of factors at play, cutting a load of area will save more if you are going with a builder who just does it per sq m. Direct labor you might not save as much as you think cutting area. Where you are building also makes a big difference, here in the south east it’s far cheaper than Dublin for example.

    Them houses you linked are very small though would be a bit mad going to the effort of self build for such a small house. I am building 265 sqm 4 bedroom and to be honest were I back at design stage having seen the house at close to finished I’d be adding more area not reducing it.

    Post edited by SodiumCooled on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,946 ✭✭✭straight


    Ya, I like my man cave, pool table, kids playroom, 4 bedrooms. Not showing off to anyone. Far from a mansion. 2700 sq feet with converted attic bringing it to about 3500.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭j14


    We have planning granted for a second floor extension on to a bungalow looking to go ahead in early 2026. We will be removing the roof and adding two bedrooms, small office and a bathroom for a total of 36sqm.

    Current prices for this are spprox €100k

    The current attic is just empty storage space at the moment.

    We are now looking at adding a single storey extension to the kitchen back of the house of 16sqm.

    Question is for the new extension should we go modular or block built?

    I take it the 16sqm single storey will probably come in at about €50k or thereabouts.

    Does the €50k sound about right?

    Based in West Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,755 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The extention is budgets at about 280/sqft so ot looks adequate. I am more worried about the bungalow itself and what your engineer will expect to be carried out in relation to the structure. Extensions are fraught in danger with present building regulations if you are using mortgage funds.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,233 ✭✭✭obi604


    How are building costs lately? still going up?

    Post edited by obi604 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭eamondunphy


    Hi J14

    sent you a PM if you wouldn't mind having a read please



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,755 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Plasters are the most expensive of the trades. The rest are much the same as last year from what we can see. You need to price all materials if going direct labour they can vary alot. Remember there was only 30k houses built last year

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,233 ✭✭✭obi604


    Thanks. How does the 30k factor in. Like if it was 50k would it make it more expensive due to demand etc?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,755 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,233 ✭✭✭obi604


    At this point in time and they way things are, im asking a question that seemed to float around a lot years ago.

    Is it cheaper to build or buy?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 599 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    Do you mean the daily cost or the cost to do the job? Either way electricians are the most expensive in my experience. Plasterers cost more than block layers but take less time so in my house the cost of the block laying and the cost of the plastering was almost identical (labour cost I mean) but the block laying took a lot longer. Carpentry I find isn’t cheap but they are super fast so ends up not being overly expensive for a job. Plumbing I can’t really say as I’ve a good friend plumbing and his rate for me is lower than in general.


    In general the price of everything is going up, when I started building over 2 years ago I had people tell me I was mad and one or two with planning tell me they were holding off for prices to come down - I said they were mad and it will cost them way more in a few years and I was proven right on that.

    Post edited by SodiumCooled on


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