Israel are going to start WWIII

Are you prepared to show us the video of the man hospitalised by Maccabi fans in Athens throwing a bottle?

Are you seriously posting Holocaust videos to explain why a bunch of right wing Israeli soccer hooligans mixed with Mossad operatives got a hiding after they initiated violence?

Really?

The playbook of antisemites according to you and Ian O Doherty is to say it didn’t happen, ok it did happen but not in the way you say etc.

Do you both still believe 40 babies were beheaded on October 7th, that a baby was cut from its mothers stomach and killed in front of her, that a baby was put in an oven?

If you don’t still believe these are you not just following the anti semitic playbook? After all the Israeli prime minister and president said they happened. The media said they happened.

Well Marko? Are they true?

You forgot to include the Holocaust in your joke. Is that next weeks joke for you guys?

The holocaust has already been used by a poster in relation to the attack on Maccabi fans.

I think PJ when the Holocaust is compared to some soccer thugs getting a few slaps after they act the maggot the trivialising has already begun.

Just for clarity, can you confirm for the thread that you're saying that the Dutch authorities and Dutch police are wrong, and furthermore, are peddling mistruth?

If so, why do you think Dutch police are doing this?

And why do you think the media, who are independent of one another, are reporting on Amsterdam in this manner when the exact same media published a report a few days ago that paints Israel in a terrible light?

Mod Note:

Post deleted

Starvation tactics by Israel continue unabated (a war crime).

The "most moral army" questions the report's credibility…

RTE:

Israel's main military backer the United States had on October 15 warned that it could withhold some of its billions of dollars in military assistance unless it improves aid delivery to the Gaza Strip within 30 days.

With that deadline fast approaching, there has been little sign of improving conditions, with a UN-backed assessment on Saturday warning famine is imminent in northern Gaza.

Aid shipments allowed to enter the Gaza Strip were now lower than at any time since October 2023, according to the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) report.

The alert from the Famine Review Committee warned of "an imminent and substantial likelihood of famine occurring, due to the rapidly deteriorating situation in the Gaza Strip".
Israel's military questioned the report's credibility.

“Amsterdam’s police chief, Peter Holla, said there had been “incidents on both sides”, starting on Wednesday night when Maccabi fans tore down a Palestinian flag from the facade of a building in the city centre and shouted “**** you Palestine”.

Holla said Maccabi had vandalised a taxi, which was followed by “an online call” to mobilise taxi drivers to a casino, where 400 Israeli supporters were present. Police had safely escorted supporters out of the casino, he said.”

That isn't a response, it's just picking a quote that confirms what I already said - some Israeli supporters certainly behaved unacceptably.

But that was never disputed, denied, by anyone - including Dutch authorities.

From that exact same article.

The mayor of Amsterdam, Femke Halsema, described an “outburst” of antisemitism with “hit and run” attacks on the visiting supporters.

“Men on scooters crisscrossed the city looking for Israeli football fans. It was a hit and run. I can easily understand that this brings back memories of pogroms,” Halsema said. “Our city has been deeply damaged. Jewish culture has been deeply threatened. This is an outburst of antisemitism that I hope to never see again.”

Officials in Amsterdam said that in several places in the city, supporters were attacked, abused and pelted with fireworks and that riot police had to intervene several times to protect Israeli supporters and escort them to hotels.

Residents and businesses in Amsterdam were shocked by what appeared to be organised small groups of people chasing Israeli fans in Amsterdam’s city centre after the match.

Theodoor van Boven, who owns the Condomerie, near Dam Square on the Warmoesstraat, said he saw gangs apparently hunting and chasing opposing fans. “What we saw here in the street in the evening and at night were groups of often Dutch groups who were out hunting, who were looking for Maccabi fans. They were on foot in groups, on scooters, riding round looking, and telephoning each other – it [seemed to be] organised.”

“They saw everyone in yellow [Maccabi Tel Aviv’s home-strip colour], they jumped on us,” a young woman, identified only as Pnina, told the Dutch public broadcaster from Schipol airport. She said her group had hidden in their hotel “until it was safe to go outside”.

So once again, are you saying that Dutch authorities are wrong? Are Dutch authorities purposefully framing this a certain way, and if so, why, and at whos initiative?

Maccabi next game is in Istanbul against Besiktas, I wonder will they act the same way there?

In the same way as some Dutch politicians have condemned the Maccabi supporters attacks as Islamaphobia.
The Dutch right wing has strong connections with the Israeli right wing and the Likud party as do many right ring groups in Europe, stirring up anti Muslim, anti immigrant feeling.

I don't think anyone categorically denies that Dutch Football Supporters and Dutch civilians reacted to the provocations by Israeli football supporters. Neither reaction is justifiable in any way. I don't recall any post here calling the Dutch Authorities "liars". But to use media reports as "evidence" and "fact" is premature. People have been arrested, they will be questioned and evidence will be examined by the authorities. If warranted, persecutions will ensue and those accused will have their day in court to defend themselves. If found guilty, they will be punished.

Presumably the Maccabi Haifa supporters chanting hate speech in Ben Gurion Airport will equally be questioned by Israeli authorities and if found guilty, equally punished. But I doubt that very much.

To equate what happened in Amsterdam as clear proof that Israel is facing an existential threat and a pogrom, is a stretch too far.

Are you asking me if authorities can be wrong and even tell untruths to fit a narrative?