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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,404 ✭✭✭Wolf359f




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Why are you doubting what the Dutch authorities are saying here? Doesn't suit your narrative.

    If the facts emerge, are you prepared to change your mind?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    More evidence emerged that this Anti-Semitic mob violence was pre-planned and organised.

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    Dutch PM is to stay at home as he was due at a UN meeting on Monday

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    Hard to disagree with this assessment.

    https:/twitter.com/just_whatever/status/1854872841390350396

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,743 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,404 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    That's claims and statements, not evidence. Aren't you of the belief that it's not a genocide in Gaza until or if the ICC rules it is? Even your screenshot mentions 'alleged' ffs!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Good post.

    There is a desperate attempt to deny what happened.

    Apparently the Dutch authorities are either all wrong or on the take and corrupt from 'Jewish gold'. Maybe both eh?

    I have bookmarked a lot of those posts that were gleefully downplaying the violence and indeed applauding the violence and the "jew hunt" as the Telegram group name is, as reported..

    The same posters will no doubt be giving out yarns about 'Nazi's' in the Trump government. Oh the irony.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Saying that the Israeli supporters were attacked 'because they were Jewish' is the big lie.

    You are yet again spreading dangerous falsehoods.

    The Dutch authorities have called these attacks Anti-Semitic. You already know this, but choose to ignore the actual evidence.

    It has been reported that this 'Jew Hunt' was preplanned and organised on Telegram and using Uber. You already know this, but you choose to ignore the actual evidence.

    Tell me, what evidence would you accept? Because at this stage, it appears to me that nothing the Dutch police, or authorities say will change your mind.

    That is the dangerous mindset of people who harbour Anti-Semitic feelings and those who deny the Holocaust.

    Are you one of those?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Some people will literally excuse anything, anything if it is done by people who, they, for whatever reason, support

    Correct.

    A good example is yourself, where you think it's OK to batter a woman because they are Jewish. All you have to do is label her 'a Hooligan' and Bob's your Uncle. Free reign from yourself to batter her unconscious. Sure, its her fault at the end of the day someone beats her up…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    You are 100% correct.

    No one is denying No.1

    But many here are denying No.2, even though all the evidence is pointing to it from the Dutch authorities.

    (I am highlighting the words denying and evidence on purpose)

    If they are right, why are the Dutch police and authorities wrong? Why have they called it Anti-Semitic and used words like Pogroms? They have never explained this, because they cannot.

    What you are seeing here, is actual Anti-Semitism, the dehumanising of a group of people because of their race, and treating them differently. They cannot be comfortable or see the Jews as a victim.

    If any other group was targeted with a 'Hunt' using social media, the same posters would deem it deplorable, but the 'Jews' deserved it, according to them, so they will not admit that it even happened in the first place. All police and authorities are just wrong and misinformed, but they are right. It's a form of softcore denial, as explained in the video below.

    I always wondered why people denied patently clear obvious facts, like how the Earth is round, and that the Holocaust happened.

    Now I know why. The last 48 hours is a great case study in this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,404 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    What you are seeing here, is actual Anti-Semitism, the dehumanising of a group of people because of their race, and treating them differently.

    Jesus, that's racism, not antisemitism ffs. This stage in the game and you still don't know what antisemitism actually is?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    She must have been a hooligan and deserved the slaps…. nothing at all about her race or ethnicity…. no sir'ee..

    (I note that your post has been totally ignore by those pretending it didn't happen. Odd that..)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Good post, again.

    I think what we are seeing is that over the course of the conflict, some posters have litterally lost their minds on the issue and are not thinking either rationally or logically and are letting some very dark thoughts and rational into their heads.

    We saw similar issues during Covid and the pandemic. Normal everyday, usually rational people going off the radar completely, talking about a New World Order, Bill Gates, Big Pharma and so on…

    It is the only way I can explain it.

    Or, maybe they have been Anti-Semitic all along and now the mask has slipped completely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Claims made by the independent media. We are not in a court of law here. Is that the bar you have, that we need to have all these cases heard in court first? But until then, we can just call this violence normal hooliganism?

    If so, why do you set the bar so high for these Anti-Semitic attacks, but you seem to thank and post any old rubbish from Twitter?

    A bit hypocritical, no?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    No.

    Dehumanising people because they are Jews, is classic Anti-Semitism.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,404 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I believe you set that bar high when you dismiss the genocide case against Israel, despite South Africa presenting evidence tot he court. I most certainly do not thank nor post any old rubbish from twitter. I've probably thanked maybe 1 or 2 posts on here and maybe posted 1 link to twitter in the space of a year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,352 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The Amsterdam story has been mainly a total PR disaster for the regime and the western mainstream media. The media have been caught out lying in their attempts to shill for Israel. This will be very damaging for them in the long term - they clearly cannot be trusted in reporting anything Israel related truthfully and even those who would have been prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt up until now can see they are seriously compromised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,404 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    You mentioned race not religion. If someone is discriminated based on race, it's racism not antisemitism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,769 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Can you explain the "disaster" for the media? This is on the BBC right now.

    "Israeli football fans have described being attacked by groups of young men in Amsterdam, with some left with injuries including broken noses.

    Adi Reuben, 24, said he was kicked on the ground and had his nose broken when he and his friends were confronted by a group of over 10 men while walking back to their hotel.

    The men asked Mr Reuben where he and his friends were from. "They shouted 'Jewish, Jewish, IDF, IDF',” he said, referring to the Israeli military.

    Police say the violence involved men on scooters carrying out "hit and run" attacks which were difficult to prevent."

    Where were they caught lying and what is this based on?

    And why are they compromised?

    Why would they report 2 days ago on a report that says 70% of the dead in Gaza are women and children, yet then do a spectacular u-turn to "shill" for Israel on the Amsterdam incident?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    An odd and dangerous take.

    The media have reported the facts as it is known from what has been relayed by the Dutch authorities. Are the Dutch authoraties wrong, and if so how? Please elaborate with specifics and cite with evidence.

    You are giving the impression that the Dutch authorities and the mainstream media are all wrong and that you alone are right, but you have not given any credible independent evidence of that viewpoint, apart from random Twitter account's version of events, most of whom have Community Notes attached to them.

    'Shilling for Israel' is an anti-Semitic trope, a trope that you are more than happy to engage in and spread. Are the BBC, Sky, The Guardian, The Telegraph and their Dutch national newspapers all on this 'shilling'? Are they getting paid? What form does this shilling take, and do you have any actual evidence of such?

    Or are you just willing to believe in Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories because it suits your point of view?

    In summary, you come across as removed from reality as you are tipping your foot into dangerous conspiracy theories in regards the Jewish control of the media.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Jewishness is an ethnicity, but you can be racist against Jews, it's called Anti-Semitism. No need to dance on a pinhead and try a 'Gotcha'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Given that you have set such a high bar, do you apply the same standards to posters who post easily identifiable disinformation and fake news from flagged and previously banned Twitter accounts?

    Or, is it only when Jews are the victim of Anti-Semitism, do you get concerned about 'high standards'. If so, why?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    This thread is funny. Last few pages here are filled with hatred, because it doesn't go well with echo chamber created on threads related to Israel.. Latest is all the media are bought. Some people really struggle to keep it cool and process informations coming in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    I think in fairness only a complete idiot believes anything the mainstream media puts out anymore. It's become a bit of a joke now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,071 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Again this isn't the slightest bit new, threads always generally been this way. Sure people have been saying and running with the idea Jewish people control media and/or banks. They are just being more vocal since its fashionable to be vocal in those views.

    "Anti-Semitism" and "Pogrom" are being retconned into being figments of imagination or a conspiracy created by Jewish people that never happened or were greatly exagerrated. I'd say its a few days away from the Holocaust being retconned and handwaved away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You're having a lot of trouble with the word "evidence".

    Some bloke on the telly saying "these attacks were anti-Semitic" is not "actual evidence". No more than some bloke on the telly saying "injecting bleach" would cure Covid.

    And given your disdain for "social media", you seem to have a lot of faith in it when it suits your own narrative.

    Keep focusing on a bit of football hooliganism and denying the Israeli Genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    If that's the case, where you go for some credible info?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    "Join us tomorrow when we hear more reports of antisemitism and pogroms from Ireland. We will hear from a Jewish man who was refused entry to a train station to get on a DART when the turnstile wouldn't allow him to pass using his empty leapcard."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Well, history will repeat itself at some stage. It's being pushed hard by some.



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