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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    Pearse never lied, she met the phone company lads even got a pouch off them. She also lied about the payment being a once off, it's not a once off at all

    As has been said here, I'd be surprised if Pearse hasn't more info to come (say what you like about him but he's not stupid)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,080 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Read the Ministers twitter thread describing exactly what occurred.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    I've read what she said. I'm saying I think Pearse has more info on this. We will see

    She lied to the Dail saying the pouches was a once off payment. I notice you ignored that part



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,077 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I've read the question asked by Doherty and he asked her if she had had any meeting with a company that produces the pouches and she said no. His argument is that because she bumped into somebody from a company who makes pouches for about a minute constitutes meeting them. Of course it doesn't, and it's disingenuous to say otherwise.

    This really annoys me. The phone pouches, in the grand scheme of things, doesn't matter. But the price being paid, and the fact that this is what Norma Foley wants to spend some amount of time focusing on rather than the wider failings in the education sphere should be called out.

    Instead of that, Doherty has gone for a gotcha.

    Do better sinn fein. Really, we need better opposition than this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    She lied to the Dail, clearly stated it was a once off €9million

    It's not once off it's €9million plus €1.7million a year



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,550 ✭✭✭JVince


    What sf are ignoring is that every school that has introduced these pouches have said that they are superb and that bullying has reduced and children's attention in class has improved.

    That's EVERY principal - not just a couple.

    Schools - and the parents of the children - are seeing this as a superb investment and sf simply are blind to that.

    Of course, in NI they support the rollout.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    She LIED to the Dail.

    She said it was once off €9 million, it's €9millon plus €1.7 million a year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,550 ✭✭✭JVince


    So you think future students should not get one?

    Maybe sf prefer young children to have access to mobiles for grooming purposes by senior party members?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,384 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I think it's a great idea .

    Best €9 million spent this year and hope whoever gets in continues it on .

    Having seen some of the damage caused to preteens / teens by bullying from their peers anything that reduces that toxic interaction is ok by me .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,480 ✭✭✭pureza


    Well she did not mention that the department would have a contingency fund to replace broken pouches which is what the 1.7 million is

    It’s not clear how often that would need to be topped up,ie how often they’d need replacing
    personally I’d struggle to understand how you’d be breaking them once a year



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    I know plenty of schools have no phones policy as it is. What do they need pouches for

    Any kid who wants his phone on them won't be handing it up anyway

    Fact is she lies to the Dail, it's not a 9 million ONCE OFF payment, it's an extra 1.7million a year after the 9 million

    Whether your for and against the pouches, lying about th cost of them on the Dail floor is not good enough



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭Notmything


    Would add Carlow/Kilkenny, and agree Laois is one they could easily lose.

    The candidates in those constituencies are not the best, nor would they have the personal vote of those they are replacing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    It's gong to be an interesting election for SF. I think they'll do better than some people expect.

    They fell off the news cycle with the US election. Imo Harris waited too long to call the election to take the best advantage of SFs negative stories.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Best case scenario for Sinn Fein imo is to let the FF/FG coalition win and form the government after the election this month, and continue being the opposition. Sinn Fein will have to work to win back the votes it is currently losing to independents / Aontu / etc though.

    Then when the likely recession happens sometime in the next few years, the FF/FG coalition gets all the blame for the terrible economy, and Sinn Fein will ride to a majority come the next election in 2029 or whenever. Then, Sinn Fein wouldn't have to worry about forming a government coalition with other parties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    Whether your for and against the pouches

    It's a tricky one indeed.

    One the 1 hand you have schools up and down the country who together with students, parents, local representatives etc have used their Board of Management structure to continually and successfully implement and update mobile phone policies for the last quarter of a century whilst remaining cognisant of the unique nature and geography of the school …

    … and on the other you have an incompetent fool of a minister playing for optics rather than seeking to improve our education system. Remember Noma Foley is the minister who knowingly kept faulty harmful hand sanitiser in schools for 2 whole days risking the health of thousands of students whilst hoping that no one would find out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    As per usual, Norma Foley makes a good proactive decision for schoolkids. Only costing 0.008% of the annual education budget too. SF are struggling if this is the best line of attack they have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    Are you joking? It's difficult to tell sometimes.

    These are pouches. Little envelopes that cost us millions. Not anything remotely useful in developing and nurturing our children.

    Was her decision to move some LC exams to 5th year and then cancel that decision causing confusion and chaos to study plans a "good proactive decision for schoolkids" ?

    Was her decision to delay the release of LC results to thousands of students looking for college places and consequently missing out on securing accommodation and places abroad a "good proactive decision for schoolkids"?

    Was her decision to knowingly leave harmful hand sanitiser (that causes acute skin damage in some people) in schools for 2 whole days whilst hoping no one would find out a "good proactive decision for schoolkids"?

    This list is not exhaustive.

    There's also the predicted grades fiasco where over 6000 students were given the wrong LC results, teacher recruitment, school transport, schools in dangerous states of disrepair, lack of SNAs and special ed places etc etc

    but never mind we have our wee envelopes to put phones in!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,550 ✭✭✭JVince


    You really are rather hett up on this.

    Seems sf types have no interest in child welfare - between knocking the pouches which are PROVEN to improve attention and dramatically drop bullying within school hours and defending senior members of their part that give glowing references to child abusers.

    Sure the billy Hampton inheritance sinn fein got would pay for 2 years ongoing supply of pouches to new students.

    That's something that was very very fishy with senior sf people getting very close to Hampton. What sort of exertion was put ???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,898 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    I just saw some top class shithousery/environmentalism from Stanley over on twitter.

    He has covered the Sinn Féin logo on his old election posters with an Independent Republican sticker.

    That's got to be respected on all levels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    The only thing I'm hett up about is Ministers lying on the Dail floor and nothing ever been done about it

    If your for or against the pouchesdoes not matter

    Norma said clearly it was €9million once off amount , it's not a once off amount.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,576 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Ah, the lonely, elderly,frail Englishman who had lived in a caravan and had been diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder, but who died in a public nursing home in Wales, but who left 4 or 5 million to SF/IRA …something fishy there all right. That gift if spent correctly by going direct to the phone bag manufacturers in China could probably have bought enough phone bags for a decade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭StormForce13


    Stop nitpicking and spinning.

    It's clear that €9 million was a once off amount.

    What she failed to add was that there will be other amounts, but they won't be €9 million. That's not lying to the Dáil but simply delivering an incomplete answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    Faailed to add. She lied, on getting questioned on the large amount she repeatedly said it's a ONCE OFF amount for phone pouches

    It's not a once off amount

    It's all spin with FG/FF

    Martin claimed banks were not bailed out, Neale Redmond gave supermarkets a few weeks to lower prices or he would take action, Donnelly still doesn't know where the millions for scoliosis patients disappeard too

    These lads couldn't give a **** about the general public or our money



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    It's all spin with SF too, that's also recently sprinkled with a bit of paedophilia, kangaroo courts and cover ups.

    All parties like to spin their own narrative. That will always be the case.

    I think SF will do ok in this election, but more out of protest than anything. I don't know what they stand for anymore and that's disappointing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,765 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Our school uses pouches, they work well, usage of phones in the school has been virtually eliminated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,077 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Gerry Adams claimed he wasn't in the IRA. But that's a different sort of lie. Right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    If what about the Ra is going to the go to in debating things, Sinn Fein will be delighted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭paddyisreal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,077 ✭✭✭✭dulpit




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,932 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    I flicked through their site. I count 71 candidates. What's the requirement for an out right majority in the Dáil?

    This too shall pass.



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