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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    And so it begins: Jared Moskowitz (D-FL) avoids assassination attempt at his residence.

    Republicans are looking to ensure they control the House in January, come hell or high water. Control of the House has not been determined yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Any comment's on the Afghani who plotted to kill Trump? all over the news right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Agreed, nasty piece of work, can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually sort felt sorry for Biden in way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,664 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    I think it began a while ago tbh. Arent we on the 3rd or 4th assassination attempts and/or credible attempts on Trump? This one seems like it might be an anti semitic attack. Do better america



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Madeleine Birchfield


    Sinn Fein will flip to being anti-immigration and regain all its popularity it has lost in the past few months before the Democrats successfully wriggle out of the iron grip of Obama/Clinton/Pelosi/Schumer/etc. Aka I have no faith the Democrats will ever do such a thing.

    Could see the Democrats fade into irrelevance though as some actual left populist party replaces the Democrats as the main opposition to the Republicans. It's happened before in American history, when the pro-slavery Whigs got replaced by the anti-slavery Republicans in the 1850s as opposition to the pro-slavery Democrats.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Lot of talk about mass deportations, only people who have to worry are the criminals, the one's who are actually committing violent crimes. The rest are safe as houses imho 👍️



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    yes you are most likely correct. To deport every illegal alien would cost billions and the resulting effect on the US economy would be catastrophic.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/19/politics/trump-mass-deportation-cost-cec/index.html?sp_amp_linker=11hqwu2lamp_id*ZUIzWWpTZTVpaGJhMGFuOWZVSFlXbTBNN2VqQXJiOWJSZEJwSjc4WjFGRjZjV040dTUwUnZpSlFfSG16QkNtLQ..

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz04y0371lvo.amp



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭Field east


    I hope that the Democratic Party has already created a type of bar chart for each of the points/problems that Trump is going to address and ,on a monthly basis, update the nation/world on progress eg numbers of illegals sent home, employment levels, salary levels , increase/decrease in purchasing power, inflation, national debt, unemployment levels, etc, etc, etc.

    The above could be particularly done on key states that are very badly off and that he is going to do something about their situation. Could do the same for key states.
    The above figures should speak for themselves as against they being conspiratorial. If the Rep have a problem with them they have 4 years to say what is wrong with them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,580 ✭✭✭Cordell


    The comparison with illegal immigrants being exploited with hard work low pay and no rights is perfectly valid, this in the modern day slavery.

    Any business that depends on them should not exist, cheap labour is never a good argument for illegal immigration. Left leaning people using this argument have forgotten the values of the left or are completely misguided.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,651 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    it’s been an experience posting here for the last few months. Thanks to everyone who keep it so spicey. See yis in 4 years time.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭Field east


    Remember agenda 25 doc. Is there talk of Musk being made the ‘Secretary For Staff/Administration Efficiency’ or something along those lines. ‘ Drain the Swamp’ ; getting rid of permanent government officials that he does not see ‘eye to eye’ with , ; getting rid of ‘ surplus departments’ etc, etc, etc, etc come to mind.
    And if the above is the case then DT could not have picked a better person..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,461 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I think that’s why Harris has essentially been blameless overall - yes there were key errors she made namely not presenting as an independent thinker candidate (when asked what she’d do differently and said she wouldn’t change anything) and her inability to be clear and succinct and articulate in her speeches in terms of what her presidency would achieve ( no doubt someone will come along and say “but Trump”) -

    If racial bias or gender bias weren’t aspects of this election (and I’m not convinced they weren’t) - then the lesson learned for all is, even though your opponent is an X,Y or Z- you still have to win over your own crowd- very few people cross over the Rep/Dem divide -it’s not at all like someone here voting FF today and voting FG tomorrow


    that and the fact there were I think a good 5% or so more voters registered as “independent” than 2020 (nearly sure I saw this statistic in the last week but stand corrected if otherwise) - she did well given the circumstances and she’s nothing to be ashamed of



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Bill Maher.

    'Kamala is still polling very well with illegal immigrant inmates who want sex change operations.' 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭valoren


    A bit late from Pelosi. Biden needs to do a Trump as such here. Call out Pelosi e.g. Where was this talk a year ago or 2 years ago Nancy? You're a party leader, I didn't want to step down but was willing to listen. Why didn't you use your influence? Why did it have to take George Clooney for you all to circle with your knives back in July? Dispense with the niceties.

    They might understand how a bruiser like Trump was able to win over Republican voters and how the party had to row in behind him. Always a crowd pleasing unapologetic f*ck you to the established politics. Any prospective 2028 nominee should be taking notes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,042 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    the blame game is kinda funny…biden, racists, uneducated folk.

    reality, its none of the above. its your crap policies people do not want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,042 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    I was under the impression that a lot of people assumed Joe was only going to do one term ? It was widely reported. Apparently it was during his trip to Ireland when he decided to go for a second term. A costly error by Joe and the party. Though Im not sure who could have beaten Trump. I think pete buttigieg is an extraordinary candidate, great speaker and very agile in debate. But will America ever elect someone who is gay ?
    Trump has been campaigning for a decade straight, Harris had a 100 days….

    Post edited by EltonJohn69 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 996 ✭✭✭Ozark707


    Even if she had said she would have changed X or Y does anyone realistically think she could have won? She was out of her depth from the get go. It was obvious before she got the role that she would struggle. You only have to look at how badly she bombed in the 2020 primaries. How on earth anyone seriously thought she could have bridged the gap just beggars belief.

    They need to listen to Sanders as a starting point and look to regroup. They have time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭valoren


    He said in March 2021 shortly after inauguration that reelection was his intention but would consider the option of stepping aside. (Source: AP). Pelosi, Schumer et al should have taken note I guess and made a preference known (do one and done, we want a full primary process)

    If I recall correctly he went about seeking the nomination positing himself as a transition candidate, seeing himself as a bridge but not promising that he would be a one and done President.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    Has the poster who has basically spent the last 10 years every day posting here, said anything yet? As much I am no Trump fan and my prediction thought Harris but If that was on other side we would hear no end. They basically attacked any opposite argument everyday and were so wrong.

    Mod Edit: Warning issued for uncivil posting

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,950 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Exactly, paint yourself as a return to normality and a bridge to the next generation of leaders. Somewhere along the way that changed. Imagine the perks and esteem of being the leader of the free world can be very tempting to keep at it. No doubt a few coat tail riders telling you that you're the one with the track record of beating Trump. Still see that some such as Fetterman have pushed back at the dump Joe contingent of the party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭valoren


    You lose political capital though by painting yourself into a corner as promising to just do one. Another candidate can make their pitch as a younger alternative who will seek two consecutive terms and avoid the exhaustive cost, time and energy of doing a full dem primary. Biden said he'd be a bridge but would consider a one term, making no hard promises.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,950 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    He was smart with his phrasing and actions. People could read into as they deemed necessary. In fairness to the Biden arm of the party, there was considerable unity in trying to make sure Trump was a one term president. Throw in the effects of Covid and it must have felt like a condensed term in what you could do. The temptation to continue for another run must have difficult to resist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,046 ✭✭✭✭briany


    To go back on a previous post, it looks like my modest prediction about the election whereby both candidates would get over 70 million has come true. Harris has now gone past the 70 million mark also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,950 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    If nothing else, we should have some new faces in the running by then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭Field east


    all these parameters could be compared at the same time against how they performed in the last four years



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    I thought he'd promised that Ukraine would be solved on day 1, and then he said it would be day 1 after the election as he was so great a negotiator that he didn't need to even be president to sort it out.

    I think Russia is still in Ukraine, so that's a fail for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Best comment I read about Trump is that the left take him literally but not seriously, his supporters take him seriously but not literally. He's not going to deport 20 million people, he's not going to half energy prices or the cost of living. If he makes a dent in them they will still love him.

    My main worry is foreign policy, what will happen to Ukraine and Palestine. Also for those cheering on trump if we think we have a lot of immigration now wait until Putin and Bibi get to "do whatever they want". I think a lot of Irish Trump supporters will be rethinking their support for him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭2Greyfoxes


    Your last sentence requires Irish Trump supporters to think in the first place.

    His foreign policy is very concerning, especially now in light of the foiled Iranian plot to kill him.

    Clever word play may win debates, but it doesn't make it true.

    Understanding and explaining things, is not the same as justifying them, if in doubt… please re-read this statement.



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