Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

The demographic breakdown I referenced isn't present in that article. In fact, it's figures in that area explicitly state:

A 20-year-old woman starting full-time work can expect to earn $407,760 less over a 40-year career compared to a man in the same position.

Which clearly has a few issues: a 20 year old starting full-time work is unlikely to be educated to degree level and the statistic being presented is based on forecast / modelled figures which are inherently unreliable and done over a time-span which would be skewed by the lifestyle choices of parents I mentioned above. Also if you check the citation for that statistic, it's from the National Women’s Law Center: a feminist lobby group.

Looking elsewhere on Forbes, this article has a little more detail: https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/average-salary-by-age/ but it does seem to correlate more with what you're saying

In the age group of 16 to 19, the gender pay gap is the smallest, with the median annual wage for males at $32,188 and for females at $31,096. This amounts to a difference of $1,092 or a 3.5% wage disparity in favor of males.

The insights drawn from the data highlight the gender pay gap is not consistent across age groups, but rather, it expands as individuals progress in their careers and reach higher income levels. This pattern indicates that a complex interplay of factors, such as career choices, professional growth and striking a work-life balance, might be affecting women more significantly during their mid-career stages.

Looking at US unemployment rates, it seems young men are more likely to be unemployed that young women (while young women are also more likely to be "underemployed" i.e. working part time roles which often indicate the parental choices referenced) so that would need to be factored into the above too.

Apologies if I'm dragging this off-topic, I didn't mean to get involved in yet another debate about the gender pay gap. Though this very interaction does highlight part of my point: public discourse tends to be focused on issues that don't effect the majority of the population. The gender pay gap has been closing for decades and the gap that remains can be largely explained by legacy issues (older workers careers spanning a timeline where sexism was far more prevalent in their early careers) and differences in lifestyle choices (men being more likely to seek higher paid work, women being more likely to seek job satisfaction or work/life balance etc.). The days of men and women being paid differently for the exact same job are long past, legislation exists in most of the western world for any breaches of that to be remedied. It's something of a non-issue yet it gets a disproportionate amount of airtime.

My argument was that there are real issues behind the voting patterns of one of the key demographics that voted for Trump and while neither party offered any meaningful solutions, the Republicans talked more about the problems and helped the disaffected young men (who'd tell pollsters their key voting issues were "the economy") feel seen by them. Many of them obviously hadn't the education or inclination to look at the actual policy platforms to see which would be economically better for them but from their POV they at least heard their own concerns about their lack of prospects being parroted back to them from the side they voted for in droves.

Didn't take him long. Elon Musk already stirring the $hit on Taiwan.

Advising SpaceX suppliers to get out of Taiwan and move to Thailand or Vietnam.

Many of them obviously hadn't the education or inclination to look at the actual policy platforms

Too lazy in essence.

Something their Grandfathers and fathers would not have been.

America at this moment has a problem filling jobs in all sorts of sectors.

Sounds to me like a subset of feckless individuals who are again swayed by populist soundbites and want to blame all their problems on others instead of taking a much needed introspective.

America is lots of things at the minute, but as always if you have the ability and inclination to better yourself and actually work hard you will more than likely thrive. As it has always been, this path is far less step for males, particularly young white males.

This longing for 1980 isn't coming back and as sure as shít Trump isn't bringing it back.

…trans.

The reality is though it wasn't mentioned as a issue in any exit polls I have read.

Maybe that's because it wasn't asked? This annual poll says that electoral polls in general often don't ask about transgender issues:

There’s not as much polling about how Americans feel about gender-affirming care as on other issues central to the election, so The 19th and SurveyMonkey asked a number of questions this year and last as policies that impact transgender Americans became a focus for some politicians.

https://19thnews.org/2024/09/polling-2024/

And this explainer of US exit polls suggests that they too ask about specific issues, rather than leaving it up to respondents to fill in their own opinions:

Pollsters will ask voters who they cast their ballot for and their feelings on various key issues, such as the economy, inflation or abortion.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/exit-polls-explained-election-2024-b2641976.html

This whole pronoun idea is so stupid. Gay rights for me, as a straight man, is mostly about letting people live their lives and love the people they want.

Exactly the same with Trans people.

Well no. Who loses rights when gay people get the right to marry for instance? (I mean genuinely loses rights, not some nonsense about devaluing other people's marriages).

Compare that to how women and girls lose rights in all sorts of ways when trans women, in particular, demand extra rights that nobody else has, such as the right to choose whether they will be treated as male or female according to which suits them better at the time.

Like the TW who nevertheless demands to inherit the family peerage over their older sister, on the grounds of being a little bit male really:

Too bad for the older sister who was just unfortunate to be born one of those old-fashioned females, as Ricky Gervais says: "one of those ones without a cock". Unlike her younger brother sister, who gets to choose which they'll be today, depending on what's to be gained.

Do you know many Trans people?
I know 1.

I don't know any middle aged TW such as those who seem to be driving this, people like India Willoughby or Rachel Levine. But I've lost count of the number of mostly deeply unhappy young people, male and female, that I know or know of though. The latest one was a young person I found sitting disconsolately on a step in town the other night at Halloween - I stopped because on first glance I had thought it was a Down Syndrome girl who had lost whoever she was meant to be with, but on closer inspection realised it was a young man dressed as a girl. They didn't want any help, and just refused to answer other than by shaking his head. Not being Downs, obviously the person wasn't as vulnerable as I had first thought anyway, so I decided it was best just to move on.

But what's your point?

So how's that going to work out?

Trump will start a trade war with China but in return will let them start a real war with Taiwan?

He may as well have put a big sign on the tallest building in Taiwan saying "Please attack me already"

Are you saying I'm making that up? I'm not.

But whatever. It's unimportant. (Though why ask the question if you're going to disbelieve the replies?)

And what was your point in saying you only know one?

I'm not compelled to believe anecdotes by any anonymous strangers on the internet and neither are you. It's just sensible.

But you are right, it is unimportant and off topic.

There was no queue of cotton pickers either, and I'm sure during and post war many fields went unpicked. Sometimes cotton must remain unpicked just like some bums need to remain unwiped, for the greater good.

You are justifying slavery and workers' exploitation, but I guess some things never change.

Ok, we're taking about the present now.

I have to go out now and pick stones from the field or they'll break the plough.

There was in fact a whole slew of laws passed post-slavery and during reconstruction to ensure that former slaves couldn't withdraw their labour from their "owner", leaving the cotton unpicked. Generally under the alibi of being anti vagabondage - but the result was that a black person could not just leave his or her employment if they were unsatisfied with the terms of employment.

That's why the comparison with illegal immigrants, who are there voluntarily, doesn't work.

You know if women made 16% more then men nobody would care and you wouldn't have these same group's calling for equality

Maybe the fact that it was never the case that men were banned from better paid jobs, or had to leave paid work upon marriage, or were just paid less than women for the same work might explain that though?

You're falling into the same trap as Hilary Clinton did with her "deplorables" remark imo

A 100% agree with her and instead of pandering to them they should be highlighted further and called out more.

The reality is though: if you dismiss them as such and trivialise or dismiss their concerns you have no hope of them ever voting for your party come election day

Of course you can, you come up with a catchy slogan and bunch of BS policies and the biopolar swing voter will come back.

Like it always has.

You're falling into the same trap as Hilary Clinton did with her "deplorables" remark imo

A 100% agree with her and instead of pandering to them they should be highlighted further and called out more.

So your solution is for the Democrats to call more than half the population "nazis" a bit more?

Yeah, that'll work. They'll be coming back in droves in no time. 🤨