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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    You left out the one about women leaving prams at bus stops because they can just get another free one.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,194 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    You can have a listen in full to her on The Irish Times - In the News daily podcast



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Or the free cars people get when they say they're racially abused on the bus.

    Funnily enough that particular 'everyone knows' tale doesn't appear to have discouraged racial abuse on buses whatsoever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,701 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    I hate this man and this party with every fiber in my body, what an atrocious party

    O’Gorman further acknowledged that Ireland is “going to see higher levels of migtion going forward.”

    “WE KNOW WE’RE GOING TO SEE HIGHER LEVELS OF MIGRATION GOING FORWARD”

    “We know we’re going to see higher levels of migration going forward in the same way every other European county is,” he said.

    “The system that I inherited wasn’t fit for purpose when we were seeing 2,000 or 3,000 people seeking international protection every year, it’s certainly not fit for purpose when we’re seeing 16,000 to 20,000 people seeking international protection.

    “So that’s why we will argue for a core migration agency that will deal with those two functions – both the sourcing of accommodation and the speeding up of processing of international protection applicants as well.”

    Lies and more lies from are friend ROG. Scare mongering anyone who has serious concerns about immigration and throwing around the old trope of calling the good citizens of Ireland "Far Right" a comment that in this day of age means **** all.

    The system we even have now isn't fit for purpose, what world is he living in? Sure lets give these people modular homes, lets spending millions on them…….

    “We know we’re going to see higher levels of migration going forward in the same way every other European county is"

    Of course this is just pure utter bullshit but it's no suprise the amount of crap spewing from this man would make your head spin. The once poster boy for why a country shouldnt be letting this illegals in "Sweden" is slowly and surely reducing it's numbers of these illegals coming and Denmark is doing a brilliant job

    Back in May, Ireland received the largest per capita number of asylum seekers of any other EU country in the month of May – even more than Mediterranean states like Greece, Spain and Cyprus. Think about this for a minute, a country on the edge of Europe beating Greece, Spain and Cyprus. That's absolutely nuts!!! This is happening because the policies of this government and especially ROG's Green party.

    "He went on to add that what he described as “far-right” political parties would seek to spin the immigration issue to their advantage in the upcoming election, but claimed that the issue was coming up less frequently in recent months."

    The supposed "Far Right" parties don't need to "Spin" everyone can see how much damage is causing to our country with Rural Ireland getting decimated while a new industry has reared it's ugly head in our country, the industry of immigration where these rich individuals want to make money of this blight at the expense of local residents

    ROG defending the absolute disgraceful decision of giving these illegals medical cards:

    "He said that often individuals were coming to Ireland “with absolutely nothing”, and given that they were unable to work for the first six months after working here under the current system, and only received a €38 payment per week, it was right to give them medical cards."

    Lets get this straight, these people do not come here with absolutely nothing, it's an absolute myth. How do they pay people traffickers, how do they pay for flights, how do they pay a taxi to bring them down from Northern Ireland

    An absolute shameful myth and it's a reason why they're coming to this country because politicians like ROG who will give these people everything on a silver platter.

    We all know people who are terminally sick but yet get refused a medical card but these people just swan into our country and just get a medical card on the spot

    Our health service in on the brink with doctors leaving the country in droves but nope lets give these people medical cards so they can pack the doctors office and the Irish citizen has to wait weeks for an appointment

    Disgusting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    I've always wondered why there hasn't been more whistleblowing (anonymously) from ordinary workers from within the system ie the IPO etc - I'd say they have some cracking stories to tell each other at their lunch breaks about our chancer friends

    _______________

    Speaking of the chancers (which are the majority)

    The loophole, unwittingly opened by the UK for the Jordanians, that was immediately abused, has been closed and they don't figure in the latest arrivals anymore but…

    We are now accommodating 2122 Jordanians in state supplied accommodation - Probably a few hundred on the street too

    Each person in accom - €75 per night + €5.70 per day allowance + €20 food per day - (conservative guesses) = €100.70 per person per day x 2122 = €213,685 per day x 30 days = €6.4m per month or €76.9m per year for a bunch of chancers

    But no, let's talk about €9m for phone pouches (I'm looking at you SF you idiots)

    That's just the Jordanians above - Using the same formula for the Nigerians with 6687 in state accom it equals €20.2m per month or €242m per year

    OMG! - Phone pouches for €9m, OMG!

    And our hard-left, soft-left and government party cult-like devotees that drop into this thread every now and then, - 'We just need to build houses for them all'



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,701 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    The Jordanians probably got thrown out of the UK and decided that they wont get the same treatment here.

    Economic migrates or benefit tourist, what ever way you want to look at it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Again, just to clarify, that the DSP does pay for prams. That is not an urban myth, it is true.

    €187k in 2022, small money.

    See the DSP Annual Stats:

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    The funniest one is "lost / stolen money".

    Recipients of welfare payments in the westside of Galway city would collect their payment, then go to the CWO and say "I lost it", to get paid again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Huge migrant centres are going up around kill in Kildare and Thorntonhall, Meath and many other places around the country.

    However there's still death by a thousand cuts going on with small hotels being commendered.

    "Displaced people" my rear end. They have turned their nose up at what is on offer on their journey through multiple countries.

    The SF politician is talking against it.

    That is something.

    However the way that party tries to have their cake and eat it on the subject of migration means they simply can't be taken seriously.

    https://www.donegaldaily.com/2024/11/06/direct-provision-centre-for-up-to-150-migrants-to-open-in-milford/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,494 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭Water2626262


    What I don’t understand about Roderic is he never even hints this is not sustainable. If a billion people decided to rock up to Ireland and claim asylum he’d just motor on and say we need to provide accommodation.


    This will end up with extremist politicians gaining power. This is exactly the type of politics which led to trump.

    Housing is becoming increasingly unobtainable for regular working people and yet people with no ties to the state can get permanent houses in a small number of years. The same people once settled will be in the Irish times complaining about how nasty we are and how are culture needs to adapt.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Again they continue to follow the line that all immigration is the same, and if you don't want thousands of chancers from all over the world coming for welfare for life at huge expense to the country or don't enjoy 1000 random men living in a field beside you with nothing to do then are are far right and a nazi. It's pure arrogance really - more than a hint of we are morally superior and you are uneducated low level scum if you disagree with us.

    Whatever about O'Gorman or those profiting from it by providing hotels etc - how the hell do cheerleaders think that continuing along this same path is as a positive, given the overwhelming evidence available from Sweden especially. We are not going to be able to afford to pay for pensions for people that contributed here for their whole lives, yet we are going to have unlimited welfare for life and supports for thousands of randoms scamming the asylum system. Sound!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I think you guys are really going to miss Roderic when he's gone.

    The question is who'll take the role of despotic cabal mastermind/gormless 'woke' fool when he's gone?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Sophistry

    Anyone can claim asylum “legally” - that doesn’t mean they’re a genuine asylum seeker. As you know well.

    Our system is being abused by people who are abusing this open door as a method to circumvent our visa control.

    I look forward to you being disingenuously obtuse again on this topic for the ten thousandth time on this thread



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I'm so sick of these chancer 'bogus' migrants I keep hearing about…

    Telling us they're leaving Ireland because they can't afford housing!

    Yet they'll bypass multiple countries with plenty of affordable houses on their way to take homes from hard-working people in Australia and New Zealand.

    Said nobody ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    The urban myth is that people left prams were left at bus stops, so it is not true.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭maebee


    Mod Edit: Warned for discussing moderation on thread

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    What a dumb analogy

    They’re securing visas beforehand and aren’t expecting to be put up at the cost of the people of their new host country. Likewise nobody in Ireland has a problem with people with skills to support themselves coming here through the proper channels

    ”Said nobody ever” - yeah because only a complete thicko would ever attempt to draw a comparison between the two groups

    Mod Edit: Warning issued for uncivil posting

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,556 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Easy to preach when you as usual refuse to admit that our system is openly abused because it can. Your repeated claims of our "hard border approach" does not seem to exist (surprise surprise).You cannot even entertain the idea that Ireland is a soft touch, such is your devotion to your agenda. Your ego will not allow you to accept you are wrong. The fact you insist that everyone is legitimate and no one would ever dare take advantage of our governments lack lustre approach is as always laughable and just shows how fanatical you are.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,494 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    It doesn't matter. They are not illegal. Claiming asylum is a legal right, they are not illegal. It doesn't matter how often you and others try to criminalise all asylum seekers.

    Those are facts. And that is the legal truth.

    Those that abuse the system need to be dealt with quicker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭creeper1


    That legal right is going to be binned one way or another just because it is not sustainable.

    There may be 20k this year and 20k next but by year three there will be unrest, bigger protests, more evidence the whole enterprise isn't working and there will be no other option than getting rid of this one way or another.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,293 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Sweden, holland, Germany etc all had their versions of Roderick a few years ago. They are long gone now but their legacy lives on.

    A sad loss to the refugee industry in those countries however.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,194 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    There is nothing like brushing something you find disagreeable under the carpet . I do wonder why many who deal with asylum seekers are silent . I suspect they are told to remain silent as part of the contract .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    After following this for twenty years I have come to the conclusion that 100% of AS are bogus.

    They may have the right to claim asylum, yes, you are correct about that.

    But their claim itself is false.

    One of the big problems here, is that we let them stay, even where their claim fails.

    Recently, a substantial subset of them are also illegal immigrants, as they arrive without travel documents, after having deliberately hidden or discarding their travel documents.

    This has been confirmed over and over again, by airlines, by the AS themselves, by Ministers. It is not a statement open to debate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,494 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Wrong. People who are in the country illegally may claim asylum. They then become asylum seekers, and are now legally in the country.

    That is a fact and not open to debate.

    Just because you believe all AS to be fake doesn't make it so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Then our laws need to be changed.

    That's making a mockery of our border controls.

    Anybody can stroll in illegally with no documents, say the phrase "I claim asylum" and suddenly their illegal entry is ignored.

    What a great country.

    I am going to use this when the canvassers call.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,060 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Anybody with a bit of political acumen care to speculate on Rodder's chances of re-election in his constituency?
    I'd really like to see that pox loose his seat, but after the local elections failed to punish FFG all that much, I've a depressing feeling that we haven't seen the last of him. I think I lost all faith in Irish politics with the election of (the previously unelectable) Ivana Bacik and the utterly odious Aodhan O' Riordan. Between 'woke Labour’ and the Social Democrats that literally ran an asylum spoofer and didn't care, there are no shortage of alternative for FFG to sidle up to and hand over Rodder’s portfolio, to 'continue his legacy' of destroying this country in the event that the Greens get the kind of drubbing they deserve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,649 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Baseless speculation to follow your unsubstantiated anecdote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,556 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Unfortunately with him being the leader of the greens, do not be surprised if the champagne socialists in Dublin keep him in. The fact the rest of the country have to suffer him is irrelevant.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭rgossip30




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