Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

So now people fleeing an actual country at war shouldn't be allowed in?

Why not just go all in and push for a ban all foreigners? After all, they are taking up housing, housing and health resources.

You seem to be basing your plans on the assumption that people will simply leave.

Before their boat push back policy Australia tried something similar. Approx 4,000 people were detained. Less than 1,000 either left voluntary or could be deported.

Many stayed in detention centers for years before being allowed remain in Australia or resettled, at great expense, in third countries.

The total cost was around 12 billion.

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/operation-sovereign-borders-offshore-detention-statistics/7/

I find it funny that when the anti-immigration brigade want to scaremonger about Islam they'll tell us how we need to protect our Christian, democratic values.

When they're scaremongering about IPAs they want to lock people up, deport them without trial, take away medical care, leave them homeless, etc etc.

I find it amazing how you could extrapolate from my post that people fleeing a war shouldn't be allowed in, or even better that I want a ban on all foreigners. Some leap required there.

My problem is with the complete and total lack of a plan, the huge wastage of money, the destruction of tourism while still enriching hoteliers in many areas around the country and the fact that O'Gorman has shown a willingness to totally disregard planning laws.

Would you be happy for 1000 refugees to be housed in tents in a field in the middle of nowhere with no sewage, no wastewater treatment and no paths on the surrounding roads, as O'Gorman wanted to do in Thornton Hall? Or do you think building temporary homes that may or may not last 20 years at 440k a pop is a sustainable plan?

People fleeing war will usually go to neighbouring countries like millions of Syrian refugees in Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey. Many coming here are from countries where there is no war. Take a look at the list in maebee's post. Which of those countries in war? IMO they should be deported immediately.

1. Detain them and bring them to the airport. Give them a voucher for a flight out of Ireland.
   
2. Deny them ANY access to housing, education, welfare, health, anything.
   
3. Built large detention centres that are within human rights laws and place any illegals found to have not left the country here. Feed them the very basic calories, protein etc, no mobile phones, nothing above the very basics etc needed until they decide to move home.
   
4. Cut all diplomatic ties with any country that will not accept their countrymen/women back. No aid, no trade, no tourist visas, no business visas, no working visas.

Easily done if the will was there and would see numbers coming drop within months

So what is your alternative solution then? You never posted one.

There's no war in Ukraine? Think you might want to brush up on your current affairs knowledge tbh.

Pointing out that O'Gorman's department has spent 440k per modular unit is not the same as saying 'keep all foreigners out' as you insinuated (I'm not surprised you tried to paint me as a racist but I think most fair minded people can see my post had absolute zero racism in it).

I've never claimed to have a solution. It's not my job. I'm just outlining the eye watering sums of money involved in going down Roderic's route and pointing out the blatant disregard he seems to have for planning laws and the environmental impact of his 'fill fields in the middle of nowhere with refugees' strategy, despite him being a member of the green party!

I'm sure a competent person could come up with a much more cost effective and sustainable plan than the one he has pursued and continues to pursue.

I quoted your "So now people fleeing an actual country at war shouldn't be allowed in?"

Yes people flee wars, there are many wars and conflicts around the world now. Did we open our doors unconditionally to Syrians, Palestinians, Libyans, Afghans, refugees of African and Asian conflicts etc. etc. ? Are they not human? What's so special about Ukrainian war? We get labeled racist, fascist, extreme right and what not but biggest bunch of racists are in government and European Parliament. I rather see injured Palestinian kids brought to country for treatment than see rich Ukrainians going around in expensive cars that I can't afford and running on the electricity or fuel that I am paying for. I rather see our homeless to get 400k houses. Government is not even giving them tents never mind houses.

Mod Edit: Warned for link dumping an article from 2003!!

Interesting... So you're telling us that of that group of people who arrived by boat to Australia, more than 75% were 'genuine refugees'.

I'm not aware of any wars in the region at that time, and I believe many would have travelled through, or past, several other 'safe' countries on their journey.

If true it would certainly put paid to several of the oft repeated lies about IPAs we hear on the thread.

I absolutely agree. We should absolutely be accepting refugees from other war torn countries.

There's nothing like an unsubstantiated anecdote to convince people on this thread.

He jumped ship 😃 handed the baton to Simon Harris