Tesla Talk

Isn’t the reason Tesla won’t deploy lidar etc because of cost? Have Tesla not consistently misrepresented the true state of FSD? The similarities are greater than you think!

FWIW the most useful “self driving” feature in my cars is the rear cross traffic alert. It has saved my skin more than once. It needs radar and as far as I know is not a feature Tesla will offer.

😅😋😅😅🤣🤣 i mean these things write themselves. Something something vision irk a derk derk. Following the big man down the well.

https://electrek.co/2024/10/31/tesla-gives-update-on-self-driving-roadmap-v13-slips-more-promises/

The reality is they're bumping the limits of their hardware so they're modifying behaviour of assessment of the same data sources. Which can result in worse experiences or no change at all.

(Been there with large levels of user negative feedback based on slight change to assessments)

They don't possess the technology in operation to improve this experience in any meaningful way.

What I still fundamental do not get is why he chose to not have the best data sources available to compute on. It's still unclear. My presumption is license subs on the hardware perhaps.

Not a cost issue. Lidar and radar are very cheap these days and in fact most Teslas that have FSD already have radar. Which is no longer used for FSD beta.

Tesla's vision (pardon the punch) now is machine learning based on human vision. That's why there is no place for radar or lidar or any other senses that humans don't have

You didn't buy FSD though, did you? We've already established that FSD cars now have heated cameras or can get a free upgrade to them.

A zero fail rate of any self driving system is naive. It is simply not possible. Demonstrably safer than humans is all that is needed for a system to get regulatory approval.

Why would I buy FSD? I don't have money to burn. Heated cameras don't help with sun or night or fog though. I really don't think all cameras are heated.

I understand the thought of demonstrably better than humans, because that was me initially too, but I can't see any regulator approving an automated driving system without a steering wheel that has any risk of accident. It must be fool proof.

This is why the idea of real FSD (ie a car that can legally drive you home from the pub, and the insurance is from the OEM not you) is still years away from mass market proof of concept let alone mass market retail. The closest to it are not even Tesla either. Ford, GM, Mercedes and waymo in their own way are closer. All of these allow - today - hands off driving. Mercedes also offer insurance for when their self driving is in use. Waymo drive around full self driving without a driver today, just geo locked. Ford and GM have blue/super cruise allowing hands off driving on geolocked roads. Tesla, meanwhile, has a hissy fit when there's a bit of fog or sun or rain.

I'm sorry Unkel but I just don't see where you are getting this idea that Tesla are pushing the envelope and going to release FSD soon. Proper FSD. If I were on my last dollar and had to bet that any company would have fully approved FSD for sale in 5 years to the general public - fully approved means level 5 with no steering wheel and no requirement for a driving license or insurance - I would bet every last cent that it would not be Tesla.

Autopilot and FSD are great driving aids, but that's it.

Your family will demand you use full self driving once they know it is safer than you. Precisely for safety reasons.

You'll eat all of these words ,all of them.

Down a well of baseless fluff at this point.

'Vision fsd' ain't happening. You can bookmark that. Alongside Elon giving anyone hw for free.

Pity human drivers aren't within a country mile of "zero fail rate".

Really? Humans are shown daily to be quite poor at driving (and getting worse).

Yes… maybe if you include the stats of the guys who drive down the m50 the wrong way or head home after a gallon of beer you will get the fsd experience.

Choosing extremes does little to advance a reasoned discussion.

The point is whether reasoned and rationale debate compares whetther computer based intelligence as compared to humans (as a collective whole) can achieve a better outcomes, as opposed to seeking 100% certainty from either options (never achievable). New technologies will always face an additional challenge as it needs to overcome an unconscious bias (which we all have) which will favor the status quo

I think it's simply the musk hitching the horses to the GOP/Trump bandwagon and it being successful - coupled with Trump and Elon both being loose with regulation etc.