Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

As soon as the pronouncements come out that one side will likely rule for x number of cycles after this you can be almost certain its about to turn in the opposite direction.

You statement there on "what they really need to be doing is going back to their grass roots and determining what it is that their traditional supporter needs". They definitely need to start working on ideas and plans to do that, however the evidence of this election is that simplistic answers that will probably makes things worse and scaremongering is what actually get votes

Because the democrats Chips act is increasing the manufacturing base in the US providing more quality jobs for working people. The inflation reduction act has made the US the country to get out of the post covid inflation cycle the quickest. And the immigration act would have addressed many of the unchecked immigration issues while providing a path for legal immigration do fill jobs that need to be filled. But it was torpedoed by Trump as would have taken away one of his bogeymen. So the Democrats did have tangible actions to address the needs of ordinary working people. But it was lost in the messaging. Tariffs and immigrants eating your dogs just sells better.

Fracking is also another scourge - I view that as a race to the bottom bringing with it a major environmental disaster that will destroy swathes of land and make it completely uninhabitable for generations to come- and will, without fear of contradiction, bring illness and shorter lifespan to any community living within its vicinity and will impact the water supplies if any community living within the path of rivers that flow through these areas, potentially impacting millions of people.

Harris’ U turn on a ban on fracking was presumably something that had to be done if the Democrats wanted a chance to win the election - ironically given the outcome, this is something that’s just going to get worse.

I’m not normally in favour of nimbyism overall but if ever there was a place for it, Shirley this is it.

Since Reaganomics Republican's have been about pushing wealth upwards and the average American has always ended up worse off under them. Yet there's this lie that keeps getting used that the Republican Party are the party of the economy, bizarrely enough. And if Trump does follow through with his ridiculous tariff nonsense that will only impact the average (and poorer) American, because it's that demographic that relies on the cheaper goods that the tariffed countries produce. The wealthy already don't count how much an item costs and they tend not to buy goods that are produced in the countries that the tariffs are aimed at.

But this is the thing, the Republicans can keep lying and lying and lying and there's always a large number of Americans (and outsiders) who'll keep falling for it. And the latest Liar'n'Chief is one of the biggest liars of all. Every time he opens his mouth a lie is uttered.

And millions have fallen for it again.

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Well I hadn’t thought of that interpretation of your words. Does that mean that you think the Dems are the White Knight who would save America and have her live happily ever after?

Or is this some kind of Saudi Arabian metaphor, where the woman cannot just leave the abusive partner and make her own way in the world, but has to constantly transfer “ownership” between one of only two would-be guardians, both of whom are deeply unsatisfactory each in their own way?

If the latter, then IMO that’s a good analogy. It also makes it obvious why the country might regularly flip flop from the false promises of one to the false promises of the other.

economy mainly was

Trump spent more on adds on Trans fear mongering then he did on the Economy.

Harris barely mentioned it, citing mainly Equality legislation.

Trump ranting and raving about the bogey man stealing children and forcing them trans.

The reality is though it wasn't mentioned as a issue in any exit polls I have read.

That's not to say a large amount of Trumps base has not swallowed the imbecilic coolade on what is an extremely tiny portion of the population.

This whole pronoun idea is so stupid. Gay rights for me, as a straight man, is mostly about letting people live their lives and love the people they want.

Exactly the same with Trans people.

Do you know many Trans people?

I know 1.

had a 100% record in calling elections correctly using his own system not going on polls.

Called it for Harris!

He was due one, it happens.

It's still an absolute phenomenal prediction record.

Although technically it is 8 out of 10 now. He never had 100% record.

Looks like a very capable and experienced lady, a good appointment.

That she is. She also apparently has 1 stipulation, the WH does not turn into the clown show from the last time.

She will be gone by the summer I imagine.

new economy, they're poorer than their fathers/grandfathers and either stuck living with their parents or spending most of their income on rent, they're under-performing their female peers educationally and in the workforce, they have less opportunities for social advancement,

I don't think they are doing worse in the workforce than women.

But are women not renting the same as men, are they not challenged the same on however one would define "social advancement"? Did women not grow up in the era of social media as well?

If they are harping back to their Grandfathers Day where women were basically not allowed work and were seen as little more than cattle, then the problem is firmly with them.

I don't have it to hand but the data I last saw showed that young American women are significantly more likely to be college educated than young men and have the higher incomes one would expect to go with that.

It's visible here in Ireland too: there's a negative gender wage gap in that demographic. Young women are out-earning young men and the situation only reverses post child-birth where their careers stall as they adopt the role of primary caregiver within the family unit. I'm not saying this is right or the best we can hope for but it does seem to reflect most women's preferences and it's certainly demonstrable in their dating preferences where only a small minority are interested in being the main breadwinner while their male partner fills this role of caregiver. The "having it all" feminism of the 1980s was always a myth and sadly one that many haven't recognised as such yet.

In referencing their grandfathers I wasn't suggesting that the socio-economic environment they came of age in could, or should, be something to strive for or returned to (i.e. the "Great" middle class, white 1950's idealised by MAGA but realistically built on the back of sexism, homophobia and racism).

I was explicitly referencing them as a cohort of the role-models these young men grew up admiring. in much the same way that sports stars whose talents they don't share make poor role models, so too do their familial forebears who's successes they (quite realistically) perceive as something they can't aspire to emulate.

I don't have it to hand but the data I last saw showed that young American women are significantly more likely to be college educated than young men and have the higher incomes one would expect to go with that.

The Data is not hard find TBF.

It is here if you would like to read it.

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/gender-pay-gap-statistics/#:~:text=What%20is%20the%20wage%20gap,for%20every%20dollar%20men%20earn.

Despite attempts to narrow the gap, 

women still earn 16% less than men on average.

[1] This gender pay gap statistics report will delve into the latest statistics, uncover where the gap is still present and discuss factors that influence pay disparity between men and women.

Long way to go yet.

I didn’t pay a whole lot of attention to Vance throughout - I wonder though would we actually win the nomination in 4 years? He was Trumps pick afterall and with Trump out in 4 maybe the party might take a chance to break out of this MAGA business

Unfortunately now the alternative to Trump is Vance, who is probably more effective in his extremism. Trump is a chancer - Vance, it seems, is a believer.

Guys I don’t use the boards app I use safari to view the site. But this comes up when it shows up in my history. Anyone else get this ?