Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

Appears to be an election where people just didn't show up. Harris is way below Biden's last vote turnout. Trump performs much less poorly, but still less people turned up to vote for him than the last time. Certainly for those that did vote there were shifts in demographics but still way fewer people voted than the last election.

Mod Edit: Warned for uncivil posting

Perfect.

No, I did not. I explained. You need to understand the difference.

One of the challenges of “deporting” people is that there is a process for appeal if I’m not mistaken and again stand corrected but I read throughout the campaign that there’s a backlog of something like 3.5 million people in the courts appealing their request to stay in the country right now.

I imagine the agencies as a whole will require a huge increase in recruitment of staff to this area and/or behind the scenes 1000s of government workers will be redeployed to this area .

It won’t be a fast process but it will be a painful one- I imagine there will be any number of families broken apart , even temporarily as they’re “processed” - will they be “grabbed” on dawn raids and placed on a plane back to their country? Hard to know- it might be wiser to offer a limited amnesty - come forward and we’ll pay for your flight home - no arrest, no dawn raid -you’ll be gone within 1 month.

At least that would help those who feel they don’t have a future there and can leave with some dignity - I imagine the numbers putting up their hand will be small - but it’s a start.

The farmers will certainly shout if they don’t have the cheap undocumented labour so the administration is likely to start in the cities not the rural areas

“We obviously have to make the border strong and powerful, and we have to - at the same time, we want people to come into our country," he added.”

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/donald-trump-says-there-is-no-price-tag-for-his-mass-deportation-plan-after-election-win-13250252

He’s definitely going to be “seen” to make an effort so I imagine the first 6 months of his presidency we’ll see daily news stories of mass “round ups” of people - BUT- assuming the procedures and “rights” of these people remain ie appeal etc - then I imagine they’ll simply be processed and released out the back door away from the cameras .
I wonder will he pick an isolated spot somewhere and build a mass detention centre of tents and barbed wire and simply dump them there for processing - it’s possible as method of deterring people from coming in the first place but unlikely to be a permanent arrangement

The whirlwind just got elected.

FFS that’s not good at all but probably to be expected - Trump has essentially opened the door to that type of racism.

Again throughout the election I read that there’s something like 8 millions job vacancies overall going unfilled- so your 400k vacancies in the construction sector makes total sense.

I believe skilled trades here are also thin on the ground so it’s not an American phenomenon - definitely in the news lately there are 1000s more skilled trades people required to meet the demand for new build housing and what not - but of course if importing these skills from abroad, where the hell are they going to live?

I do find it strange that agreeing with deporting people illegally in your country is seen as right wing and racist by a large percentage of people.

It's law and order in my view. Regardless of the actual logistics of it, it should be the overall aim/goal of every government imo.

If you look at the demographics of the USA today it's made up of the largest immigrant populations of the 19th century.

But you'll be called a racist if you were to extrapolate that in another 100 years America will be largely made up of the current largest immigrant populations.

Wether it was apathy racist sexist or protest reasons, it doesn’t change the outcome and they’ll have to live with whatever happens now.

I will bet that the Democrats will learn very little from this and in 6 months time they’ll simply be issuing sound bites and pearl clutching comments around human rights and dignity of fellow man and woman and what not - all very noble but meaningless to millions of Americans in terms of what they need.

What they really need to be doing is going back to grass roots and determining what is it that their traditional supporter needs in the 21st century and what is it that their party stands for and start building that future for them - but I don’t think they’ll do that - I would say Republicans will likely rule the roost for at least the next 8-12 years

My twitter timeline is full of democrats asking where the 15 million voters who voted for Biden in 2020 went and something just doesn't add up. They're just short of adding a #StopTheSteal hashtag.

I'm no Trump fan but seems both sides there are just two cheeks of the same arse.

manufacturing also gone abroad

Manufacturing under Biden has entered somewhat of a resurgence.

This is being led by a green tech, one of the fastest growth sectors for innovation and job creation in America.

A high portion of these workers have transitioned from mines, including coal mines.

But again Trump has promised to cut funding for these sectors and open up the coal mines again, forcing people back under ground to inhale coal dust and poisonous gases where did eventually be forced to retire early, become addicted to opiates and die long before anyone else in any other industry.

But he really cares about the average man.

I agree though, there certainly seems to be some sort of deficit in education over there.

A handful of knobs on twitter is the exact same as a campaign and candidate saying it of course

This seems to be the case in a lot of discourse "well you cant really complain about the republican candidate / campaign saying absolutely crazy **** as here is a random lefty from my twitter feed with 50 followers who's says something equally crazy"

It has been one of the successes of the republican campaign - convincing some people that the fringe of the left are representative of entire Democratic view

I don't think some imbecile on twitter can be equated to an actual President storming out of the White House in a strop and encouraging a mob to over throw the peaceful transfer of power.

Watch Harris's concession speech if you are in any doubt of how a democracy should work.