Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

I'm not sure if you're trolling but you can't vote if your illegal in USA. If he starts deporting illegal immigrants, he is only doing a favour to the American People

Mod Edit: Poster warned for backseat moderation

Looking like the Republicans will have 222/223. That's not wafer thin. Especially with Trump as their president. They will all walk the line.

Where is he going to send them?

Do his favoured countries have to accept them?

Ireland?

Will he deport Musk ,being the most conspicuous first?

Immigrants can naturalize and become citizens. Not all 'supportive brown folks' are there illegally, however that no less means they can't be swept up in Trump's 'foreign enemies act' push, and placed in internment camps or deported to their country of origin. He has a Supreme Court that will let him do essentially anything he wants.

No, deporting immigrants is not "only a favour to the American people." Case in point: when Obama began mass deportations (yes, Obama did mass deportations), what happened in actual fact was an increase in US citizen unemployment. Why, you might ask: significant drops in consumer demand for one, for another and for the same reason, lots of businesses which depended on immigrant labor and skills to function (think jobs Americans won't do en masse, like picking crops, landscaping, back-breaking construction work, etc.) could not stay open and shuttered. Immigrants also tend to pay into systems that they can not take out from too, like social security. Illegal immigrant labor accounts for billions of dollars funneled into SSI that they are not eligible to claim.

If all undocumented immigrants were deported today, next year’s Social Security trust funds would have approximately $13 billion less for benefit payouts. It’s a considerable loss of dollars, especially when it’s projected that the Social Security funds will be depleted by 2034.

According to New American Economy, undocumented immigrants contributed $13 billion into the Social Security funds in 2016 and $3 billion to Medicare. Three years prior, the Chief Actuary of the Social Security Administration, Stephen Goss, wrote a report that estimated undocumented immigrants contributed $12 billion into Social Security.

https://www.marketplace.org/2019/01/28/undocumented-immigrants-quietly-pay-billions-social-security-and-receive-no/

And that's without even thinking of the cost of deportation. Trump's mass deportation plan could cost upwards of $100 Bn/yr - and take years to carry out.

A new report from the American Immigration Council, an immigration rights research and policy firm, estimates that to deport even one million undocumented immigrants a year would cost over $88 billion dollars annually, for a total of $967.9 billion over more than ten years.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-mass-deportation-program-cost/story?id=115318034

That's assuming the Trump administration doesn't come up with a cheaper, bloodier 'solution.' Either way the economy absorbing the loss of millions of people in a short period of time will result in no favors other than a significant recession.

In fact there is much evidence for example that Republican farmers for their part (and other industries as well, adjacent) are 'mad as hell' about GOP anti-immigration pushes:

https://www.tiktok.com/%40vicenews/video/7242353223649053978

https://www.thecalifornian.com/story/news/politics/2023/09/28/gop-florida-governor-ron-desantis-met-with-protests-in-salinas/70994580007/

DeSantis has gained notoriety for supporting policies that harm farmworkers and make it more difficult for undocumented immigrants to gain employment.

Salinas has a large population of immigrant and migrant farm workers, which agriculture companies have historically failed to protect from voter intimidation, COVID-19, wildfires and harmful pesticides (which are used in fields near local schools despite being linked to leukemia in children).

If people think groceries cost too much now wait until entire crops are left to rot.

If its razor thin the vote for speaker will probably be a mess. Like the last few times.

They do. But unfortunately, I think it’s fundamentally much more difficult for a new populist democratic candidate to reform the Democrat party to properly represent the working class.

With Trump, it’s a bit different. While he is, for sure, a political revolutionary, he was able to revolutionise the Republican Party without truly overthrowing the Republican elites at the RNC and the donor class. They don’t like him, find him chaotic and can’t control him, but they can live with him because ultimately his economic agenda (tax cuts, union busting, etc) are friendly to the upper and wealthy class. Conservative policies have room for the wealthy.

It’s different for a populist Democratic candidates, like say Bernie Sanders was. His policies directly challenge and go against the wealthly DNC elites, donors and corporations. The push back that populist candidates get at primaries are much stronger and more coordinated by the DNC, as Sanders found in 2016. . I think the situation is pretty dire tbh. Maybe the Democrat party getting a huge ass kicking this week might give rise to a populist, working class movement, but I’d be skeptical unfortunately. I wouldn’t be surprised in 2028 were looking at a Gavin Newsom or a Josh Shapiro running for the nomination.

blinded by the simplicity of Trumps message

What, exactly, was Trump's "message" though?

The communist, socialist, fascist, liberals are going to…something, something…help Haitians eat your pets? The elite are coming to get you, not my elite of course, the other elite. I've got the biggest crowds at my rallies and I'll deport millions of brown people.

I think so too .I think I posted in 2020 that it was a vote to oust Trump they were so disgraced at him rather than to put Joe in

Unfortunately I think that ship has sailed and there's no turning back. Just look at the environmental disaster unfurling in Ukraine every day. We had our chance and we faffed about. Humans are stupid and self indulgent. The election results showed that too.

You think they're going to bother discriminating between them? They already go after legals erroneously. The racism is the point my guy. They don't want brown people in the country.

Cant see this whole charade lasting 4 years.

Something will happen soon to put a halt to the madness.

It’s how these things usually pan out.

After Biden's disastrous debate their was no way he could have continued in the Presidential race. I wonder why he dragged it out as long as he did post debate. Kamala was pretty much crowned his successor to run. Were there more plausible candidates or were they encouraged not to muddy the waters? We may never know. How Biden was allowed to run beggars belief. He is for the birds.

What is undoubtedly true and ultimately tragic is that the people living in the self styled greatest democracy in the world had two god awful candidates to chose from. I think the standard of politicians in the U.S, U.K. and here seems to be rapidly declining. Very few if any have gravitas, presence or eloquence.

The cost of living crisis hits America. The Republican candidate is telling his supporters what he's going to do about it even if he doesn't understand the implications of what it means but he is at least saying that he's going to fix it. And Kid Rock is advising him on it. (Joke)

Meanwhile, the Democrat candidate, the incumbency and running the show during the crisis, is saying she won't be doing anything differently than what her President is doing. Are you tone deaf?

And then she is having billionaires like Oprah Winfrey and other celebrities, who will never face a cost of living crisis, pontificating and lecturing before they go back to their mansions. She could have shown leadership by accepting substitution for Biden but only if celebrities are not tolerated. Polite social media acknowledgement of endorsements but certainly no lectern and lectures during Prime Time. In their place put on experts who can explain the cost of living crisis and people who spell out how it will be tackled.

Remember Ricky Gervais going viral roasting celebrities at the Golden Globes? He wasn't kidding. Multi millionaires giving each other golden statues. STFU, take your trophy and go home as he put it memorably. The right latched onto that as Gervais explaining what they were trying to spell out. The Democrats needed to eschew these endorsements and needed to make the case that Harris was going to do what she needed to do to reduce costs and alleviate concerns and anxiety. At least you'll think she is doing something about it.

She wouldn't do anything differently. She failed.

And they wonder why the middle of the aisle voters veered towards Trump. Misogyny! Racism! Idiocracy! Hopefully this rout serves as a wake up call for them. They need the political equivalent of Gervais to deliver some home truths about this stunning election. Regular everyday and decent people from demographics voting against historical trends voted for a convicted felon as President of the United States. That says it all.

And why? Because they can at least feel he is on their side. Even if it isn't true. A rotten ham sandwich or a cucumber sandwich was posited as the choice facing voters this year. We now know that you'd eat sh*t if you're hungry enough.