Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

Harris campaign will also get remembered for the popstars on her stage.

In these times many Latinos are converted to Protestanism, both within South America (Brazil has a growing Protestant population) and after arriving in the United States. Lots of Catholics switch to become Evangelicals, it's a massive trend.

My intuition (I don't know if this is correct) tells me: don't discount the effect of decades and decades of 'anti-racist' teaching, which presumably doesn't just affect whites.

If you are Latino, but grew up in the Unites States, you may have been told every single day of your life - by schoolteachers, authority figures, Hollywood, TV etc. - that race doesn't matter and racialism is wrong.

Despite this it never occurred to anyone that Latinos wouldn't act as one giant, Spanish-speaking Volksgemeinschaft extending racial solidarity and loyalty to foreign Latins from outside of America.

Instead what's seems to have happened is Latinos have adopted a variant of citizenism eschewing purely racial concerns. Why wouldn't they, considering that they are in a country where people are told - seemingly 24/7 - that this is what they should be doing.

Johnathan Martin from Politico on CNN this evening - excellent appraisal of why Harris failed- a lot of the reasons already covered here including :

Not being clear on what she’d bring to the presidency

Spending too much time bringing up things like Jan6th

Preaching to the “converted” instead of reaching out and connecting with the swing and undecided voters

Mot recognising how the social media such as podcasts could have helped her instead of shying away from them and may well have reached her undecided audiences

She didn’t embrace populism - it wasn’t the natural language for Harris to use - but also there just isn’t the numbers in appealing to the suburbs anymore - there’s a lot more people elsewhere - maybe less well educated but they need to be brought in to the fold too

A lot of other reasons but interesting that his key reason above are similar to what’s put forward here too

The images of the many popstars on the Harris stage was indeed indicative of an inward unthinking nation. That's for sure.

The plight of the people in Gaza was certainly not on their agenda.

Nah, Hillary wasn't remembered for that either. She was remembered for "pokemon go to the polls" or her bottle of hot sauce levels of pandering

Harris will probably be remembered for "I can't think of anything I'd do differently"

It wasn't just his brand (but there certainly was that) he also married his campaign to the Affordable Health Care Act.

IDK what the real postmortem is yet or anything but I do know that Harris' agenda items were small by contrast: a home credit here a child credit there, reintroducing the border bill, but she didn't have any seminal legislation that her campaign rode on, compared to Obama. The ACA was a Big **** Deal, and when it gets repealed you're gonna see a lot of confused people wondering where their healthcare disappeared to and why they're suddenly getting denied for "pre-existing conditions," the healthcare rights that the ACA brought in were monumental. And it's the first thing they'll try and repeal for the 80th time in January. Just call it Obamacare, blow the dogwhistles, and there's no McCains left in Congress to stop it anymore.

But Trump is part of the 'elite'. He is a billionaire and is surrounded by similar - you have two competing elites in the US, Trump is merely part of the right wing conservative one.

That's pretty funny.

His celebrities are all hasbeens that people can barely remember.They weren't really a key aspect of his campaign.The democrats genuinely seemed to think their celebrities would make a difference and were a key aspect of their campaign.

Also the impact that Trump could make is he might get both parties to reconsider what they are about and focus on real issues again.

The election has probably been more about the democrats being rejected than Trump being voted in, the democrats vote has dropped massively, Trumps is about the same as it was.A large number of people voting for Trump I imagine don't think he will do much but they just couldn't stand the democrats and figure he's the lesser of 2 evils for the next few years. Hopefully the Democrats learn lessons from this election and get rid of their focus on identity politics and just focus on issues that affect the working classes.

His overall vote might have been around the same but the trends in this election are very different. The swing in the Hispanic vote is massive. He flipped places that haven't voted Republican in decades and even longer. For example he won Star County in Texas. 97% Hispanic which has the longest streak of voting Democrat in the country. I certainly don't think they're aren't some very big shifts that Democrats should be very worried about.He won a majority of Hispanic men and a sizeable chunk of Hispanic women, Democrats seriously need to stop taking those votes for granted.

It will be interesting to watch what Elon Musk will do about government spending after what he did with twitter 🤪 Between Trump and Musk there will be a lot of popcorn moments next 4 years. I am not fan of Trump but there was no other choice. Biden should never have run for presidency rather than dropping half way through the campaign.

Not to say that Harris winning would have been any different, but it's mad numbers.

Some sight that map, huge silent majority.

Does nobody think it worth a mention that America has voted in a climate denier?

That was my number one concern(apart from the communal depravity of voting in such a lowlife)

Yeah, this bizarre narrative that's been woven whereby the likes of Trump, Musk, et al are supposedly fighting an "elite" is really an exposure of just how stupid some people are. And if they're not stupid, then they're just liars.

Trump and his cronies are the very definition of the elite.