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Dispute with mod

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,226 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    calling someone a “Trump supporter” over and over again doesn’t it make it true either



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,586 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I couldn't care less if someone supports Trump or not. I have several family members who love him. It's the tedious prevaricating that gets me. A week ago, some posters were telling us about how they don't support him and that they're just moderate centrists and now they're telling us to eat it. Can't have it both ways, I'm afraid.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,596 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Seems not.

    It seems the word Fanatical is deemed to be uncivil.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,234 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    I debated responding to this but I think it's important to highlight how disingenuous this is in respect of how mod actions take place.

    You had it explained to you across multiple PMs that your entire post was uncivil and off topic, and to avoid that posting in the future so as to avoid sanction and yet you decide to break it down to a single word. I'm disappointed that you'd post in this fashion given the effort I put into trying to make you see why your post was actionable to be quite honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,226 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    you “reckon” wrong but I’m not surprised at this continued “attribution” of what I “might” or “might not” do - it’s extraordinary making up hypotheses as an excuse to criticise others - anyway I’m done- election is over and I made my points above if anyone cares to listen to them - that’s what the feedback thread is for



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    ….

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    You claim to have reported “MANY” posts that evidently didn’t receive the action you wanted, most reports not being actioned being for the reason they were disagreements of opinion and not actually abuse etc like you are alleging.

    QED



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    The "rule" was included by me on the original Biden v Trump thread when I made the opening post in that thread

    It was subsequently added (by me) to the new thread that had been set up by another user when it became Harris v Trump

    Nothing whatsoever to do with any complaints. Posters used the rapist and Sleepy Joe stuff to troll the "other" side. The election thread was a "neutral" one not to be tainted by derogatory comments about either candidate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,596 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Can I respond to this post without being subjected to further sanctions ?



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,234 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    people lamenting how the whole thing has turned so toxic and partisan, with each 'side' becoming more entrenched. Then we've a couple posts along the lines of "you won, get over it" which completely misses any kind of point, and the post above posted like it's some kind of 'gotcha', which is grand, but you wouldn't have to be psychic to know who has 'thanked' it…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    Why not give an answer?

    Unless it was a 'gotcha' and now you have to deflect instead



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,701 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Surely you can see the problem with your rule though? One is an adjudicated fact, the other is just derogatory term for a guy who's getting old and slowing down.

    There may have been posters using the fact that Trump was judged to be a rapist in a court of law to, perhaps, troll. But warning and banning posters for stating a fact is another thing altogether.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    We've seen it in this thread earlier, it just derails the conversation into endless back and forth bickering with everything else drowned out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,596 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭advisemerite


    The moderators on here are one sided simple as. I'm on a level 1 warning and a 3 day ban for apparently been uncivilised to a poster who said he hates all trump supporters despite nothing in my reply been uncivilised. 😆 it's a good job im off to the Galway Christmas Market or what would I do for the 3 days 😉.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,701 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Perhaps it can sometimes result in that. But the censure of facts and the banning of posters for stating them isn't a good look.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    There's a thread in the sports section about a "Famous Irish Sports Star" that has a similar rule.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 6,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    May I ask though: using the word rapist to characterise Trump, what exactly does it add to your argument? Same for Sleepy Joe.

    My observation from the thread would be that, in the vast majority of the cases, these terms don't add anything to the argument a poster makes (and in some cases they may even undermine the point a poster tries to make). They only add to the antagonism that goes on in the discussion.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Just had a look there. Not sure if search is working properly but this seems to be my only post in there:

    ...on page 99 of the thread. There's 50 posts posted over three days on that page. I'll let you guess how many are pro Trump. (If you guess on a scale of 1 to 50, you'll be wrong)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,365 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Sleepy Joe is a derogatory use though. You can say you think Biden is too old or past his best etc without using that term.

    Trump is an adjudicated rapist.
    If you are discussing e.g. the candidates appeal to sections of the electorate,
    What alternative term or phrasing should be used? Sex pest? Misogynist? Obliquely refer to his 'court cases'?
    Trump at one point was giving speeches saying "I will protect women."
    But posters aren't allowed to point out the hypocrisy of such a claim without mentioning the above???

    Similarly, Trump has lost defamation cases against the victim. If posters are characterising Trump as someone dishonest, who will lie, conceal the truth etc then it seems relevant to mention that.

    That's different to writing a general post about Trump, and referring to him as "Trump the Rapist" making a point unrelated to those events \ themes.

    I think the context of use should be taken into account.

    ps I think the ground rules on the thread in the main are very good, other than this point

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭uptherebels




  • Posts: 436 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    She. It can easily be proven that I didn't whatsoever say I hate all Trump supporters. And it can easily be proven that your response was unhinged, not just uncivil. And so unrepresentative that it could not have been genuine. So no point in lying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,701 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    That's like saying: using the word antisemite to characterise Hitler, what exactly does it add to your argument?

    Trump was judged to be a rapist, that is a fact, whether it upsets a few posters or not. Banning a poster for stating a fact, whether it adds anything to their argument or not isn't the point. It's the principle that's important. The mods are banning posters for stating the truth.

    If antagonism occurs during a debate that centres around a man with the amount of convictions that Trump has, including sexual abuse, then that's because of Donald Trump who's amassed his felonies. Nobody would mention it if is wasn't the case.

    Banning people for stating facts is very dodgy ground, even if the conversation can get heated and, frankly, on a forum like CA/IMHO where blatant lies are spouted every day and let pass by mods, posters being sanctioned for being truthful and factual really is a through the looking glass type of scenario.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    What's the question? If I barely look how do I know who's in there? I had a look a few months ago and that's what it seemed like at the time, I had another look a couple weeks ago and it was evidently the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,365 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Re: blatant lies

    I made the point earlier on the thread about statements of facts and claims being made on CA without evidence, without engaging with follow-up questions. Just dumped out there and left hanging.
    Not opinions, but definite statements that X happened.

    I know it is not up to mods to fact check, but when specific (likely to be controversial) claims of fact are made, they should be made with evidence. Or there should be an onus on posters to engage with replies to such statements.

    But at the moment, well, may as well shut down the Conspiracy Theories forum as CA is encroaching on its turf.

    ps On request, I can DM a mod with a specific example from CA as I don't think it's appropriate to be referring on this thread to specific posts\posters

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    Whats the question? You already know because you responded to the post.🙄



  • Posts: 436 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    "statements of facts and claims being made on CA without evidence, without engaging with follow-up questions. Just dumped out there and left hanging.
    Not opinions, but definite statements that X happened.

    I know it is not up to mods to fact check, but when specific (likely to be controversial) claims of fact are made, they should be made with evidence. Or there should be an onus on posters to engage with replies to such statements".

    Admin responded to that being brought up (a while back in fairness). Absolutely agreed. Whatever the politics, it's insufferable. People choosing to believe such statements too because it suits them.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,996 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Worth noting since it seemed to happen unannounced but puns and humour are now sanctionable so anything other than official birth names and titles are naturally foul of this rule change aswell now.

    I dont mind the changes but maybe they could be communicated first?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,226 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    You have no idea why I reported posts

    You have no idea what posts I reported

    You have no idea the mod action to the posts I reported

    Ergo, your post and conclusion are based on a false premise - in other words, balderdash.

    QED.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,596 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy




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