Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

any particular reason nevada and arizona are so slow with getting their results?

I don't trust media forecasting either but I don't agree it's restricted to left wing media. Keeping poles close is just a business decision to keep the public watching as I mentioned before. Sponsors are happier and give more money when viewing figures are up. Ongoing poll swings are a ratings winner too - remember the yellow orange and red terrorist warning appearing on screens. Everyone watching full of anxiety and afraid to change the channel. Of course met eireann belatedly got in on the act - yellow i think being the risk of a light mist.

I think a moratorium should be brought in on polls close to elections. IIt's all linked to betting as well and it's not healthy.

Not that simple I agree, but charisma and not being bland seems to be a huge part of it. I like Kamala Harris but very few people have what it takes to get elected for the Democrats in 2024.

Do you think if the Democrats truly convinced people that they are on the side of the working man, that things would be different? What will it take for a Democrat to be elected in 2028?

It would have been great to see Sanders get the nod from the DNC and win it. But it was never going to happen. People need to get real. The US is dominated by two conservative political parties and someone like Bernie isn't going to get a look in. There's far too many idiots within the population of America who can be manipulated easily and all Trump had to do was scream "communist" and they'd all nod along.

Christ, he was calling Harris a Socialist, Communist, Fascist, Liberal only last week and that's the guy millions of Americans felt was grand to stick into the White House?

There was no way Sanders was going to overcome that level of stupidity in a significant part of the US population.

Well, it just shows that these issues aren't all that important for some people and that they're willing to memory hole them with great ease.

I think in future anyone in America trying to use rape as a political soundbyte or tool should be asked who they voted for the 2024 US election.

It's been an impressive election for the Republicans. They won the white house, Senate,house,popular vote,state legislature and governor majority

Do you think if the Democrats truly convinced people that they are on the side of the working man

That's pretty easy. Trump just did it with a load of soundbites based on nonsense. There is absolutely no chance he is going to roll his sleeves up and work hard every day for 4 years to enrich the lives of all Americans. It's a hilarious thought.

Even the dribble he barked out, that you may form some coherence from, Tariffs and deport 11 million illegals both which are in reality inflationary ideals.

Blanket Tariffs are basically market manipulation that invariable drives up the price for the end consumer and considering there is roughly 2 million illegals working in food production over there I can't see your carton of eggs reducing in price, because Billy Bob isn't sorting through chicken shít for 8 bucks an hour with no medical benefits.

As one Irish American farmer said in 2015 when Trump was banging out the same nonsense, America would starve in 3 weeks if all the illegals were deported.

Convincing people is simple, we just had a snake oil sales man do it twice in the past 9 years.

So the question is, is it in the best interests for the American population to keep voting in people based on populous rhetoric.

The answer is of course it isn't, because reality will bite and bite quickly.

If the Democrats want to guarantee the Presidency in 2028, Newsom with a massive left economic policy which will see him win in a landslide.

No hope of delivering on the policy, but I suppose if that is good enough for the GOP.

“People voted for Trump more as repudiation of totalitarianism than a vote for Trump the person or even his policies”

I think it’s generally accepted Trump didn’t have “policies” -but in terms of did people vote for Trump the person? I don’t think a lot of people did- it was more an ideology or concept they voted for - certainly there was a wish to re-balance away from the left that Harris clearly represented , especially with her past history of quite extreme proposals when viewed from the “right”- so that was always going to be a factor .

Many people, including Harris herself, placed too much emphasis on the “man”- it was clearly evident given his overwhelming victory in the nomination race (albeit a lower margin of victory throughout than was anticipated ) that this is what republicans stood for and wanted.

Had they started the campaign battle from that premise and got their policies lined up that catered for their target swing audiences - and then stuck to that approach- they might have done better -but clearly certain Democrat policies that greatly touch on and impact personal morality and religious belief, are quite repugnant to many millions of Americans - as much as most people in Europe would prefer not to have Donald Trump the man as their leader, many Americans are equally repulsed by what Harris stood for or represented - that was seldom recognised -Trump got all the attention due to his convictions, but that’s only half the story here.

He was deplorable though. To accept victory now he has to concede defeat previously, which he has never done.

US society is individualistic, cooperation is treated with suspicion and he's the anti government candidate.

I won't be surprised if he'll spend more than half the next term playing golf and his voters won't mind one bit. That's what they would do if they were him.

This is part of the reason why Trump won. This is delusional. People who are in economic difficulty and hurting don't care what guidance celebrities have for them. They want solutions.

Do they actually believe this claptrap or are they being paid to say it ? Grifters the lot of them.

Donald Trump isn't going to do a damn thing for people in "economic difficulty", just like the last time. He's just promised desperate people the sun, moon and stars for his own ends and has no intention of putting policies into effect that will help people who are worse off.

And taking the Democrats to task for their nonsense re: celebrity endorsement is ridiculous when the Republicans are just as bad. They have their list of celebs knocking around too.

Fuck sake, the next President of the US is a bloody celebrity reality TV show star.

im just curious to see how many he has on the sh!t list…

Trump did extremely well in some strong blue states, when you look at NY and Illinois.

Just checked, Micheal D appears not to have congratulated Trump yet. Not that I want to see the Orange Buffoon congratulated, but he was quick enought to congratulate the Iranian guy.