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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,593 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭2Greyfoxes


    These same people need to remember that we've recently had a global pandemic that lasted a few years. Add in the global networks of goods are more or less a 'just in time' model, and one of the world's busiest bodies of water for trade has suddenly become a massive risk for transport.

    Blaming high inflation on the Biden government is willful ignorance at best and malicious intent at worst.

    Clever word play may win debates, but it doesn't make it true.

    Understanding and explaining things, is not the same as justifying them, if in doubt… please re-read this statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    if no candidate receives 270 electoral votes a contingent election in Congress occurs. The person elected still needs to meet the eligibility requirements of Article II



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    There is absolutely no need to take that attitude.

    No I do not believe everything I have been told. But I did think that I remembered that there was something in the bill which would make it easier for illegal immigrants to become actual citizens. I wasn't 100% sure which is why I explicitly said I was open to correction and outright admitted I had limited knowledge. I never stated it as fact.

    And of course one illegal would be too many. How many would it be for you?

    I also do not know why he didn't live up to his promises in the first two years of his previous term. I just said I hoped that this upcoming presidency would be good for his country. I never said I thought it would.

    Mod Snip - no need for last line



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    People naturally move away from pain and gravitate towards pleasure - it was bloody obvious that was the game the Republicans were playing - they promised the “world”- immigration? Fixed. The economy? Fixed. Wars ended? Fixed.


    Many have their head in the sand and were essentially in la la la la la mode when anything approaching reality was presented to them- I think that will continue - the days of people listing to “tightening our belts” messages from our leaders are well and truly over - even if they are said with honesty and integrity, they won’t be heard because there will be an alternative “sunshine and rainbows” message from an alternative party which will be far more palatable.

    A very dangerous position and road to go down, yes, but it looks like the norm in America now. A similar path is fear - two sides of the same coin - cat eating, asylum escaping criminals taking our wimmins- but we’ll “fix it”-all from the same playbook



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,593 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Trump stated in his speech after he declared himself the winner the other night that he was spared by the hand of God to save America.

    That type of lunacy comes with consequences which America are going to find out quite soon.

    The Buyers remorse will make Brexit look like a good idea.

    If Measles McGee is put in charge of the CDC the search graph for moving to Canada will not fit on the screen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,165 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    David McWilliams has a theory that right wing populists usually make terrible leaders and have bad, inefficient governments. It will be interesting to see where the whole Trump machine is in four year's time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 401 ✭✭Gerrymandering reborn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,593 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    From the West Wing and I am paraphrasing because I dont remember the full quote.

    Will: The people in their enduring wisdom..

    Josh: NO! Not their enduring wisdom, the people in a fog of uncertainty more like.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,468 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    If the Democrats had held a primary and picked the best candidate I think they'd have won. Instead they annointed a not very impressive candidate to put it mildly.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,040 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Just irrelevant waffle. The stats show that the markets and industry always do better a democrat president, that is not going to change. There is no plan to try and improve productivity, concentrating on building a high value added manufacturing capability etc…. Tariffs will impact the US cost of production, hit their consumer market big time etc… Even Buffet's faith in the American economy had taken a major hit as he follows the rest of us in divesting of US stocks and moving to cash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,193 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    57% of people in Florida voted to permit access to abortion and marijuana.

    But because the figure wasn't over 60%, it ain't gonna happen.

    Democracy..…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,468 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    With one nominee for President. I meant competitive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    that is false. Stop spreading falsehoods please. For your criticisms to be valid they should at least be factual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,634 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    But that's based on a short list of candidates. If there was no eligible candidates, they can't vote on them (or if they did and it was a draw) This is just based on if Trump wanted to stay in power as people suggest, how could he? It's entirely hypothetical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,699 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    For many in places like Michigan, it certainly did matter and might have been decisive. Trump won in a landslide anyway, so it didn't matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    if in the extremely unlikely cases that nobody ran for president, or became eligible to run (the requirement being quite a low bar to assail: 35 years old, natural born American, etc.) then the line of succession would enter into effect, in no way does the President stay on past their term. Not even for world wars or civil wars. If I’m not mistaken the House Speaker becomes the acting president. The House Speaker is subject to the same eligibility requirements to assume the presidency as in Article II.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,699 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    This is exactly why the likes of Trump win elections and the likes of Harris and Corbyn don't.

    You just admit that the working class supports Trump but then try and pretend that they don't really support him.

    As to Unions, Trump has been making inroads to them as well. This is the new GOP.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,193 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Harris was a very impressive candidate.

    Expert level CV, young, energetic, and engaging. I mean, we've seen Trump and GW Bush on the ballot (and win) and they weren't in the same league as her in terms of suitability for candidacy, by any stretch of the imagination.

    If the Democrats had held an open primary after Biden stepped down, the main thing it would have done, is weakened their chances in the election. It would have been presented on here as 'this means Bidens admin failed', if someone else was chosen or 'this means they've no confidence in Harris' if she had had to go through it but still won.

    Harris lost because too many people preferred the false promises of a lying, cheating, sexual assaulting felon who failed in the job when he had it, over her.

    Ignorance is no excuse for the selection of Trump over her. Who he is, what he is, what he is capable of has been on full display, by him, for years. This Isn't 'CNN or MSNBC headlines', this is fact.

    I"m hugely disappointed Harris lost, but it could be what needed to happen if America must break itself before becoming what it could be. Time will tell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,634 ✭✭✭Wolf359f




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,775 ✭✭✭circadian


    I wasn't disagreeing, I was agreeing with the turkeys voting for Christmas sentiment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,193 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Your evidence that the GOP is the party of the working class is that a union chose to endorse neither candidate?

    A decision made by the head of the union spoke at the RNC?

    Can you read that? He attended the RNC, as a speaker, and STILL didn't endorse their candidate?

    And in your mind that means the GOP is firmly the party of the working class......

    If so, I think you're delusional. I genuinely hope you don't believe it and are just sticking to script.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I hope it’s successful in the sense that if America succeeds then that can’t be a bad thing for other western nations - at some stage someone somewhere, well many people , will have to do the hard work- we know Trump will play golf eat hamburgers and post on truth social and X- so he better chose “doers” not talkers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Harris has been the VP for the past 4 years, she had plenty of time to get people to know her and essentially campaigning , considering Bidens age she surely would have had an idea she was going to be in the running for President this year.She should have been out their constantly getting her message across in the last 4 years but she just seemed to hide away.

    Truth is she didn't really want to be president and that's what cost her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,193 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    This I do agree with. Apart from the final sentence.

    I hoped in 2020 they'd actively present her as the President in waiting throughout Bidens term, but that didn't happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,699 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Decent post.

    I remember posting links to poll results here about the closeness of the case, but also that Trump was getting decent numbers in the swing states and I got the usual:

    "The polls are garbage, they are a GOP funded ploy, blah blah blah"

    I also referenced the shy Trump voter ALOT!
    The response, the 2022 election, when Trump was not even on the ticket, and a Harris blue wave was imminent.

    Then when the Seltzer poll dropped things got very giddy. There was talk of Iowa, Florida, Texas and Ohio turning blue, along with all the other swing states! Mad stuff.

    We got a lot of 'feelings' that a Blue wave for Harris was imminent by the very same people.

    Why, well cause "Trump is a Nazi!" Apparently that is enough to predict a blue wave!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,699 ✭✭✭✭markodaly




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,593 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Biden only dropped out of the race on the 21st of July.

    What you are suggesting is she should have started campaigning 4 years ago which is nonsensical and in reality not something that would be tolerated.

    Truth is she didn't really want to be president and that's what cost her.

    Well no, that is not the truth. That's your unfounded opinion based on your feelings.

    That's emotion.



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