Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

Very true. At least Space Force won't have to worry about its future.

Forget the tag line, I have no interest in that, but Cenk's rant is actually on the button.

He has a major go at the corporate Democrats and the Donor class that protects them.

Dare I say it, he is not wrong. People are not stupid and will see the Democrats as being bought and paid for.

He also references the lies about Biden's health, which is why we are in this position.

Who will be the next Bernie Sanders? Dare I say it again, if the Democrat machine rowed in behind him rather than Clinton in 2016 we might be in a very different world.

very unlikely it would seem - considering everyone and anyone is getting the blame for Harris” lack of success other than the candidate herself and Biden, it’s hardly surprising - responsibility for actions no matter what they are, always lies elsewhere it seems for Democrats and their fanatical supporters wing

This is a point not talked about much but the fact is the American system is political. People vote for a DA, who is politically aligned and they in turn can go after people. We have had DAs themselves admit this about Donald Trump.

I am sure now we are going to have republican DA's go after Democrats.

Its not a good system, but yes, the 'Lawfare' against Trump helped him in the end.

Funny how all those lawsuits alleging electoral malpractice have vanished like snow in July. One thing the Democrats should do very aggressively is to hammer home a message that US elections are not rigged.

However there is still gerrymandering and voter suppression.

I remember during Obama's second term there was talk about whether the Republicans would ever see a presidential candidate elected again as the Dems had such an insurmountable lead with the American people.

There's lessons to be learned about how politicians view the electorate and condescend to them aided by the media.

We have an election at the end of the month and it will be interesting to see if the Irish political class learn any lessons from Trumps victory, albeit, they don't have the spectre of a comparable entity in the Irish political landscape to reckon with.

Agreed, I thought he’d be a terrible president last week and I still think he’ll be a terrible president today.

For all the criticisms of the democratic campaign - Biden shouldn’t have stood again, the party generally being out of touch with the electorate, their handling of the Middle East - all completely valid, but those criticisms don’t make the republicans an automatically better alternative. Trump ran on a campaign of nonsense like immigrants eating pets and schools forcing sex changes, all while showing serious cognitive decline. His fiscal policies, if enacted are widely thought to make life more expensive for the average American. His pick for health doesn’t believe in vaccines or fluoride. His pick for government spending is a multi billionaire with a track record of loading massive debt onto his companies while giving obscene payouts to himself. Literally every facet of American life has the scope to become more difficult, and the only hope that it doesn’t is that he’s a liar and doesn’t do the stuff he said.

The democrats misread the tone of the electorate, and the economy for low and middle class earners needs to be their 100% priority in ‘28. But in no way, shape or form is Trump a credible alternative, and claiming that anything that happens during his presidency is because the democrats didn’t provide a better alternative is a pathetic excuse.

Career suicide! A foolish thing to have done.

Where are all the Childless Cat women who supposedly were going to push Kamala over the line?

I hear what you are saying but for the most part, the MSM would be Pro-Democrat so that is still a huge wind in their sail.

Apart from Twitter under Musk, the other platforms would be leaning Democrat, just look at who they contributed to in terms of Donor money.

There are also plenty of channels and outlets with leftwing types on YT and the like, but maybe they need to work more to be relevant.

The Joe Rogan podcast is a case in point.

He was open to talking to Harris and Waltz, but neither of them did? Why not?

He had Bernie Sanders and Andrew Wang on his show previously just to name a few Democrats.

It is not his fault that Democrats will not engage with him.

But that is the point I guess. It's much easier for Harris to present this fake profile of herself on some appearance her handlers set up on NBC, or SNL, rather than sit down for 3 hours and talk to Joe Rogan and be herself.

I have not listened to the Joe Rogan podcast in years but did listen to the Trump and Vance ones.
Trump did not come across that well I thought, a lot of rambling, but Vance was quite affable and was a plus for him.

I'm actually glad he won with this margin.

American public made a clear choice ... they own it now .... no whining

On topic of media, when I'd search "trump" on youtube over the last few months the first 5 videos I'd see were those clickbait ones run by Democrat surrogates with constant headlines like "TRUMP MAKES HIS BIGGEST MISTAKE ITS OVER". All mainstream videos were pushed below them, they were getting millions of views too. Forget the main channel name, some gobshite in a suit making money off useful idiots. Plenty of awful conservative youtube channels too but few as popular and click baity.

A lot of observers suggest that many of Trump's voters don't actually like him as a person, but like the sound of his policies (a bit of the Margaret Thatcher effect perhaps…..she was a frosty and dislikeable individual but was still able to pull in millions of votes and win three elections).

Whatever about Ukraine, we and I mean Ireland and the Center and the Left need to have grown-up conversations about immigration. Because if we do not, people will vote further and further to the right and to populism if we do not.

The West cannot be seen as the perpetual dumping ground of all the world's refugees.

That's the literal message from renowned far right agitator, Nick Fuentes. This video is 1 min long, this is how emboldened people of a particular mindset feel after Tuesday.

https://x.com/tayrilivia/status/1854207409717428564?t=kVNDIwIP_0UAEQj3NErV1Q&s=19

And you might say this is just one guy and they don't matter. Donald Trump entertained this guy at Mar-A-Lago just 2 years ago, well after it was known what type of message they pushed.

On Tuesday more white women voted for Trump than didn't, for whatever their individual reasons for doing so, this is how some people feel they can comment publicly given that he won. There WILL be people who suffer because of this mindset and Tuesdays victory for Trump.