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USA 2024 presidential election

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭lizzyjane


    Whether you like it or not, the votes that swung it in favour of Trump did not vote for him,( they may actually hate him )they voted for his policies. If you keep hitting people hard in their pockets they are going to hit back and no better place than to do it at the polling stations.


    The vote he got from the Latino community is staggering .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,787 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Only true if you think a vote for him will put more money in your pocket. Which is unlikely for a lot of his voters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,370 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    If all of this is true, why would they vote for him if Biden's presidency improved their bottom line? Populism tends to thrive in economic misery. If things are so good, why rock the boat?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭lizzyjane


    Well its certainly worth the risk after the last 4 years of an apocalyptic cost of living crisis, with Harris on record as saying she wouldn’t have done much different than Biden in terms of policy, quite a staggering take I must admit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,787 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Whereas Trump by comparison would have lowered taxes, given energy credits and doubled social welfare rates? Sorry, I don't see it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The big increase from black males is astonishing considering the stigma their own community especially black women would put on those black trump voters. I'd imagine many voted secretly but this result will embolden black MAGA voters going forward. They'll know theirs a sizeable amount of them now and will be less ashamed. Imo black voters despite the pandering are abandoned by the Dems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭TracyMartell


    why does every event need to be made out to be a catastrophe these days? Trump was president for 4 years before and the sky didn’t fall down. People really need to relax



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,009 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    In his last term, he brought NATO to its knees, alienated China, India, The EU, Britain, The Middle East, South America, ObamaCare and migrants.

    The sky kind of did start to fall down. If he got another term in 2020, he probably would have finished the job. He will probably finish the job now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,216 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    If he can end the wars in Ukraine/ME will all sides feeling satisfied, then who cares what he does with China and the rest. He talks out of both sides out of his mouth anyway.

    Don't for a second you'll see any of this bullshit 20% tariff on imports. He knows that's bad for business so that won't happen.

    I'm not as pessimistic as most on here. The multi nationals won't be packing their bags from here anytime soon like some were posting about here.

    His focus will be on his homeland and sorting out immigration and health.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,136 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    Did this happen? I thought I saw a stat that he only got an increase of 1% among black men (but I maybe misheard it or it was misstated)

    The Hispanic vote does seem to be the massive differentiator. So basically the people who will be most heavily targeted by the proposed mass deportation policies. Seems very like the turkeys voting for Christmas style stuff



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,216 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    Illegals don't have a vote, so the Hispanic vote he got, may well want the Hispanic criminals out as much as anyone else



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I think the bigger question is who didn't vote for Harris this time out that voted for Biden? Trump's numbers were around the same as 2020 in terms of the national vote, and better in many places in specific states, whereas Harris massively under performed. Looking at NC, where her numbers trail Stein's by around 500,000. Some of his numbers are likely influenced by how repellent Robinson was, but even looking at the other statewide offices won by Democrats, she under performed. That's a stunning failure on her part.

    I said it at the time when Biden dropped out, it was a massive mistake pushing her as the candidate over having an open convention. She has never been a popular figure, and we're seeing that reflected this morning. Democrats missing the open goal once again, and maybe for the last time if Trump follows up on his threats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Seems like it but in reality those hispanics have the same concerns as white Americans. They want a safe and secure America for their kids. And are likely more religious so the Dems don't really appeal there either.

    You see it in Europe as well. Former refugees from north African in Sweden voting for anti refugee policies because they're not happy with the messers coming over. Only loonies in the west support open border's and the Dems made a bollox of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,216 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    Malcolm Turnbull was on the C4 panel last night and made a good point regarding immigration. He said it's not a "left" or "right" policy. Or it shouldn't be. He said that the government should have the final say on who enters and who doesn't. Obviously Aus is slightly different to the US, but he made sense, and the Dems, as you say, have made a bollox of it completely and the people have had enough



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭Bot1


    Trying to understand why voters choose Trump is just impossible.

    I think they projected their own fears and desires on to him to make him fit for them.

    On every issue it makes no sense to vote Trump

    The only area that is a possibility to me is Immigration, immigration immigration.

    Centrist and Left politicians need to grasp the nettle that is immigration!! It can't be left to far-right or MAGA brigade to dictate!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Hispanic people voting for Trump should not be that much of a surprise.

    They don't like the drugs and gangs infesting their neighborhood either.

    They tend to be religious and conservative.

    Plus a lot of Hispanic people work in the oil industry in Texas, and want to continue working there.

    So the green agenda is not something they would support.

    The Democrats did themselves no favors by using the term Latinx, it alienated a lot of Hispanic/Latino/Latina people.

    Though it's not a term I've heard much recently, the Democrats may have got that message.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,216 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    Breakdown of population by state of Latino, i didn't realise Texas would be so high, well obviously though, being a border state, of course it is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,370 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The Democrats tried to fix it but their bill was sabotaged by cynical Republicans. The GOP know full well that if they fix the issue, they can't milk any more votes from it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,216 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    That was also mentioned by a seperate panelist(American journo) to Turnbull that they can't(or won't) work together to get the issue fixed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,370 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Exactly. It's the GOP's fault, not the Democrats'.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It's an exceptionally good question. I have theories but no proof. Like I said, the information ecosystem is surely to blame a lot - if you are relentlessly told you are doing terribly and everything is too expensive I think you end up believing it. No one actually remembers what their household economics were like 3/4/5 years ago. There is also a built up resentment towards "others" who you can be convinced are really doing better while you struggle. The US is, by no metric, in economic misery. It is an utter powerhouse at the moment. But eggs and doordash were more expensive so let's turn to borderline facism.

    The outcome of this election is that high unemployment is better than high inflation (which we kinda knew but this has really blown it up) and service wages should be kept in the toilet.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,255 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Over 50% of Trump voters did so mainly for the economy. In contrast, only about 20% were mostly concerned with immigration.

    The issue is economy, not open borders. Working people want more money in their pocket and they want things to be cheaper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Mass unvetted Immigration putting strain on resources and competing with the poorest Americans for resources isn't going to go down well. 20% is a sizable percentage and can make the difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,880 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    And this is exactly why he won. Why do you assume Hispanic voters are in favor of illegal immigration? If they are legal in the USA why should they have any fear of his policies. This is why Democrats lose, they see everyone as a group and not an individual with their own concerns and opinions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Sandor Clegane


    I suppose this time he's prepared, everything is in place and he has all his cronies at the ready to take up positions where as first time it all kind of fell on him, he didn't expect to win, the senate is his too, he has a lot more power now and as I said is ready this time with a plan, he'll also be looking to leave a legacy behind him and settle scores, we know he's vindictive enough so I can understand the worry.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And to think some people thought Texas would turn blue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    How do you think they'll be most targeted they'll be the ones benefitting most.

    Rich Wasps who voted Harris will lose out.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,255 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    This makes no sense.

    50 is a much more sizeable percentage than 20. The data is there, Harris lost on economy, that's where Trump ate her lunch.

    She can't compete with him on immigration, how do you compete with someone who invents nonsense about people eating dogs? The people who believe this sort of stuff are never going to vote Democrat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Both are linked, mass immigration drives up rent, cost of living , downward pressure on wages, massive pressure on services.

    For the young progressive on 70k and staying in Daddy's apt for free, that's just solidarity internationalism.

    For the working class it is the savagery of neo liberalism and a back breaker.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭Bot1


    If that is true, it suggests 50% are low information voters.

    I'm not sure about that.

    'Economy' could just be a politically correct way of saying 'immigration'.



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