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USA 2024 presidential election

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  • #1862
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,828 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I was in favour of Harris winning, even though she was a weak offering, but I'm actually very glad that if it's going to be Trump, that its a decisive result.

    I actually hope the GOP win the House of Representatives too. Why? Because it puts him, and them, in the Dock. A full mandate to deliver on policies and promises. For good or for ill. Those who voted will then either reap the rewards, or the consequences. Clearly, unambiguously, with no one else to blame.

    As for Ireland, and Europe? I think its time we stopped ****ing around relying on half-arsed globalised policies. As a continent, we need to make a HUGE push, a-la the Draghi report, for self-reliance on jobs, industry, manufacturing, technology, security, defence, migration and individual rights. Let BRICS do what they will. Let America does what it will. We cannot be blown around by their hurricanes any longer.



  • #1863
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807184#Comment_122807184

    I disagree with you. It depends on the woman. Harris is a poor candidate and basically clueless. She's propped up by Obama and the left. Hillary Clinton was and is disliked. She's not a good candidate. I would say a centrist woman with a strong personality would likely beat Trump. I can't see one on the left. Maybe Gabbard.

    I think it's plain to see that the best candidate is rarely selected. A system that depends on Iowa and N.H to get the ball rolling is stupid. It's a poor primary system that unfortunately is run by billionaires a corrupt media, celebrity retards and who can raise money. 2 cents for your day.



  • #1864
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807847#Comment_122807847

    Well said. Europe should depend on itself.



  • #1865
    MICKEYG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭MICKEYG


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807692#Comment_122807692

    Would agree if the Republicans cared for the white working class but they don't. They say they do but don't. They are just better at convincing them they have their backs.

    The white working class can now enjoy their new leader. Country has the leader they deserve. Good luck to them, no sympathy.



  • #1866
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807877#Comment_122807877

    They just have to be less hostile than the Democrats

    The only reason Trump won is down to is enough African Americans, Hispanics and Asians turning to him, and some Democrats staying home.

    His white support was down, not a small bit either.

    Not groups that the Democrats are listening to, talking at.



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  • #1867
    MICKEYG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭MICKEYG


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807911#Comment_122807911

    Less hostile? What do you mean?



  • #1868
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807847#Comment_122807847

    Hopefully but it will take a clear out of the entire political class to have that.



  • #1869
    ancapailldorcha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,370 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807661#Comment_122807661

    Biden & Harris did quite a lot on the economy and it made no difference in the end. The USA is a country with a deeply racist past and a strong anti-intellectual slant to its culture. I think that this is a bit like the UK between 2016 and 2020 where people like me thought we could stop it but ultimately, angry nativism is here to stay.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #1870
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807942#Comment_122807942

    I think that sort of view is part of the problem. Its always the others are dumb, the 'good guys' failed to explain their policies, the angry white men, the deniers and 'haters' won. I see it everywhere. I see it in America, I see it here in Ireland and in my home country and all over Europe too.

    It apparently never occurs to anyone who perceive themselves to be on the 'right side' that maybe they're not that 'right'. And not terribly inclusive either. And while neoliberal policies continue to make things shittier for Josephine Soap all this rainbow and 'values' washing will be perceived as nothing but hypocrisy.

    As long as the elephant which is neolib isnt being addressed and they dont try to bring people in rather than paint people being out and continue to speak from 'above' these outcomes arent going to change either. The so-called liberal left is bringing the very things they despise about with that high horse approach. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

    And I'm not saying that from a conservative point-of-view but from a left one, as in actually left. Just observing.



  • #1871
    ancapailldorcha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,370 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807976#Comment_122807976

    I disagree. There is no shortage of America first politicians and never has been. For some reason, during his acceptance speech, Trump spent 5 minutes waffling about spaceships. This is a man who, respectfully, is past the peak of his intellectual powers.

    Biden was addressing issues affecting the lowest paid Americans and it brought his party no political reward. I find the concern about neoliberalism to be completely disingenuous given Trump's own history of grifting and conning people.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • #1872
    Nody
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807976#Comment_122807976

    Except when you have people who say "I'd rather be communist than a democrat" or "Yea, he did all those things but I'll still vote for him" you're not having a discussion or argument. This is Brexit all over again; my feelings trumps your facts. The facts are there; USA is safer than it has been before but people don't FEEL safe because they are being bombarded by people telling them how dangerous it all is now and no amount of facts changes that. Heck you only need to look at the Qanon movement for crying out loud. Voting for Trump for these groups is like pissing in your pants; yea you get a warm feeling for 5 minutes but you will suffer for it for the next day yet they only hear the warm feeling and go for it without thinking of the longer term impact. If there's one thing I'll give any right wing movement in the world credit for it's creating feelings of insecurity in people. Hence voting in the son of a slum lord who'll give you a payday loan making you feel good you got $10 in your pocket for it without seeing the $100 repayment down the line and thinking he's on your side somehow.



  • #1873
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,394 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Mod: several posts deleted and I'm gleefully handing out infractions to posters who troll or ignore the forum charter.

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  • #1874
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122808003#Comment_122808003

    I agree with you. Trump is hardly going to stop neoliberalism. But he managed to be perceived as that by nursing that 'man's man' image. He paints himself as 'I support he regular guy, the hard worker'.

    Like I said I'm not a Trump supporter myself or a conservative even. With actual left views being in the position they are these days, just short of being ridiculed, I feel more like a slow car crash observer rather than having skin in the game. Not like the actual left are going to shape anyhting in power any time soon.



  • #1875
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807942#Comment_122807942

    Yet 45% of people in the exit poll said they feel worse off financially than 4 years ago. Thats higher than the same figure in 2008.



  • #1876
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,481 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807662#Comment_122807662

    I'm fairly certain the first woman president will be a Republican.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807877#Comment_122807877

    By the looks of it it's only the white working class outside the big cities.

    Problem for those people and it was the same with Brexit is the world they pine for is never coming back no matter who the leader is.

    I'm talking towns that went from fields to town simply because of a mine, quarry or factory that's now gone. Your towns sole purpose for being built is gone and it's time to move on like humans naturally done in every era except the 20/21st century. The smart people teach their kids to move on and the rest tell the kids to stay round a ghost town to slowly bloat with hatred, jealousy and a misplaced anger.



  • #1877
    Novfith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭Novfith


    I'm glad I got up at half 3 to watch the coverage. It was exciting and topped off with the Trump win.

    I'll never have the same interest in US elections as I've had with Trump. He's box office.



  • #1878
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,009 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122806823#Comment_122806823

    Any outstanding convictions or charges, he will probably pardon himself as if they were parking tickets.



  • #1879
    Nody
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122808147#Comment_122808147

    The president can only pardon federal crimes; the state cases are still running but he's likely to try to tie them up by appeals all the way to supreme court as his usual tactics. CNN has a good article on the topic.



  • #1880
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,828 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807940#Comment_122807940

    I don't agree.

    Europe is centrist. Centrists are pragmatists and survivors. There is now clear air before any more large disruptive elections in the Member States.

    Watch the moves against migration and the dilution of the Green Deal from now on.



  • #1881
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,098 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Amish turn out for Pennsylvania vote in ‘unprecedented numbers’: source

    The state’s famed “Pennsylvania Dutch” registered to vote in “unprecedented numbers” in response to a January federal raid on a local raw milk farm in Bird in Hand, Pa., a source familiar with the situation told The Post.

    https://nypost.com/2024/11/05/us-news/amish-turn-out-for-pennsylvania-vote-in-unprecedented-numbers-source



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  • #1882
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122808073#Comment_122808073

    The first woman President will be a Republican and likely a Hispanic.

    The Hispanic vote is rapidly moving to GOP and its largely the reason why 45 is 47.

    The Democrats won't even ask why or try to understand what is going on, they have their analysis and that is all.

    There has been serious inroads with Asians and young African Americans. The Democrats are at risk of only being a party of ivy league wasps.



  • #1883
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122808238#Comment_122808238

    I can hope so.



  • #1884
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,800 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807661#Comment_122807661

    There is no winning over people who say Trump's and Harris' economic plans and decided Trump's was better. It has become an article of faith that the Republicans are better on the economy despite absolute legions of data that argues the exact opposite and much like Trump's cult-like following, it is incredibly hard to see how you counter that.



  • #1885
    TomSweeney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,260 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807942#Comment_122807942

    Or maybe people just want sanity to return.

    The democrat party has gone insane, they support men in womens sports, men in womens prisons, this whole DEI crap …

    We have members of the democratic party out supporting HAMAS (Jihadi rapists ffs!)

    Harris was a terrible candidate who couldn't string a sentence together, Trump going on Rogan, the mcDonalds stunt and the Garbage truck stunt really worked well for him.

    Why wouldn't Harris go on Rogan - she'd be exposed maybe ? would she be able to do an un scripted interview for 30 minutes nevermind 3 hours !! ?? No way, she'd be on the floor having a fit.

    Her team went to Rogan and said they want these specific q's asked - also for it to last 1h, and they wanted to ability to edit the interview - that says it all.

    So stop this racism/misogynistic crap - these people would have voted for Tulsi Gabbard if she were running - but of course she has left the party - because they have gone insane.

    So continue to wallow in victimhood and scream "RACISM" "SEXISM" … Thank God the American people saw sense and voted for sense.

    And be happy, the world will be a safer place - aren't you happy that are chances of WW3 have just dropped significantly ?

    Could you imagine what Putin would do with Harris in the WH ???

    MAGA!!

    Mod: no memes!

    Post edited by Seth Brundle on


  • #1886
    TomSweeney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,260 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122808348#Comment_122808348

    Well the years 2016-2020 and the absolute disaster of the last 4 prove otherwise.



  • #1887
    ancapailldorcha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,370 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122808348#Comment_122808348

    As we've just seen, you don't. Anyone concerned about the economy voted Harris-Walz. Most people follow neither politics or economics and it's hard to be too concerned about GDP or growth when you're on the breadline.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #1888
    PsychoPete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,031 ✭✭✭✭PsychoPete


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122808412#Comment_122808412

    She only wanted to do 45 minutes on Rogan, you can bluff your way through an 1 hour interview but if you do a 3 hour interview people will see exactly what you are like. She knew she'd be completely exposed over that lenght of format



  • #1889
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,787 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807868#Comment_122807868

    We're talking about beating Donald Trump here. A convicted felon who instigated an attempted coup d'etat 4 years ago. He nearly incited a riot last night in Philadelphia with the rhetoric of fraud, which he's been quiet on today for some reason. My point is beating him shouldn't require a whole lot of effort in a thriving democracy

    You can go on about how bad Harris is as a politician. I'd personally disagree with a lot of that rhetoric, but regardless an inanimate carbon rod with a penis would have beaten Trump yesterday



  • #1890
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Trump won because of massive shift in support from Latinos to him, 30% and a big shift from African American voters, smaller yet significant shifts from Asians, all together delivered his landslide.

    While Samantha and Josh at the DNC were sipping Champagne at lunch and pushing their progressive vision, the people on the receiving end wondering where the next weeks shopping was coming from were rebelling.

    Completely self inflicted



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  • #1891
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,800 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122808482#Comment_122808482

    Anyone concerned about the economy voted Harris-Walz

    They didn't though - they massively broke for Trump. And an incredibly small proportion of the US is "on the breadline". This isn't just about GDP or growth, every single macroeconomic stat shows the US economy is in incredibly rude health. Real, inflation-adjusted wages are up since pre-pandemic and they are up the most in the bottom quintile. Unemployment is down. Discretionary spending is way up. I think its easy for Europeans in particular to miss just how wealthy the US is across the board. There is still abject poverty obviously, but someone anywhere above the bottom 20% or so is doing far better than anyone in Europe.

    If anything increased wages for service workers meant the cost of luxuries like takeaways went up and people were incredibly upset about that. But they still kept spending money on them cause they were neither on the breadline nor living paycheck to paycheck. Yet if you ask them they will say they were. The information ecosystem is beyond screwed.

    They have guaranteed for sure that any future economic difficulties will be met with mass unemployment rather than stimulus though.



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