Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

When will he be officially declared the winner, waiting for paddy power to settle my bet.

Your ability to be dedicated to your opinions is somewhat admirable.

Your inability to demonstrate it without resulting to insulting those with a different opinion is less so.

the entire democratic party!!!

Okay so would you like to see a civil war now to rid the US of fascism? Or a von Stauffenberg-style bombing?

Will you join an international brigade? Will you take up arms?

Who continuously talk about identity issues? Its not the democrats.

This was predicted over 20 years ago by Thomas Frank in his book "What's the matter with Kansas?" about 20 years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_the_Matter_with_Kansas%3F_%28book%29

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No matter how you cut it if Trump is declared winner it is fantastic political win. I listened to the podcast by two politico Brits - Allistair Campbell and Rory Stewart "The rest is politics" both admitted they got it way wrong. And reached the conclusion that most oridinary American voters do not look the political nitty gritty stuff like they do. Also they commented on basically how vacuous the news coverage and informative information is on CNN/Fox. So partisan etc.

I think the main issue is that Brits/Irish people shoehorn their own views upon America and think that is the way they will vote. But few of them put themselves in the place of the way American's think. Last year American cousins and their wives visited my mother.

Never met them before decent people and believe it or not great craic, but very different culturally to Ireland very into the "God and Guns". Holding hands at the table grace was said before meals (which apparently threw my mother).

It was not the first time my mother was culturally thrown by them. She was over visiting them the previous year for a wedding of a son of the cousins. The young fella was given a gun as a present at the wedding! Again my mother was shocked, it was an eye opener for her.

They were clearly Trump voters. I generally avoided political/religious chat when they were over here. But one of the cousins told my father about the "missing votes" in the bins. Granted he was not very educated, a blue collar worker. But they get votes too! The true "America" is not just one side.

Don't be silly now

Twitter has turned into some cesspit. People ranting and raving over all men, 3rd party voters, refusing to go to work, people who both voted for Kamala turning on each other "because they represent all white women who voted for Trump" etc.…

I can't tell if some of the posts are real, or just bait for engagement. If it's the latter, then the left is fucked for a long time over there, and all over the world. They can't help but turn on each other and view other people as "less than" and almost not human. I can't see anyone capable of creating a united voice.

I say that as an increasingly exhausted left leaning individual. They ran a **** campaign and it's no more complicated than that.

I've never been happier about the fact that I'm a European Union Citizen as I am right now. It's the citizens of the US that I feel for this morning. Trump will turn the States into a cleptocracy, god help you if you're an immigrant or in the eyes of Trump and friends to be 'different.'

That's not that easy to do.

Its costly re

Im afraid she cant, she needs to fulfill her lifelong goal.

“How can I say this in the nicest possible way: My goal in life was that man would never step in the White House again,”

I wonder if Biden is having a chuckle to himself today.

After Pelosi schemed to replace him with the other do gooders Obama, Schumner and Clinton and of course lets not forget Geroge Clooney and Oprah.

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And that is the sort of rhetoric that ensured a comprehensive trump victory.

It's not about aligning yourself with anyone. It's about how dangerous it is to elect a rapist, lying, fraudulent, felon who boasts about his admiration for despots and oligarchs to be POTUS.

The Democrats could have nominated Oscar the Grouch and any educated person would have voted for the muppet.

There was no good reason for anyone outside of the billionaire, top 0.01% elite to vote for Trump.

Not voting for Harris because she's a woman and you don't trust her to be Commander in Chief is sexist.

Not voting for her because she's a person of colour is racist.

Not voting for her because she's not very charismatic, because you don't agree with her policies on the Middle East (policies which the Republicans share), or because you have delusions of some day being part of the 0.01% his tax breaks benefit are all examples of ignorance.

When there's a binary choice where one option is a wannabe fascist with a proven track record of criminality, a proven history of sexual abuse, whose actions in his last term of office caused the inflation issue that's hurting so many ordinary Americans, killed many others through his mishandling of Covid, who openly admires Vladimir Putin, whose VP Candidate compares to Hitler and the majority of whose own administration have labelled unfit for office it frankly doesn't matter what the other option is: you vote for them or lose the right to be considered a sane and educated individual.

The whole rhetoric of the republicans is to deflect attention away from what you describe and towards immigrants / gender issues / socialism. It is specifically designed to make people believe their issues stem from an "other", and not from the uber wealthy hoovering up all the benefits of productivity gains made in the past 40 years. And it has worked a treat. Donors will be well chuffed.

The ones to blame for Trump is Obama and the hierarchy of the Democratic party that insisted that HC with all her baggage and snobbery had to get the no in 2016. Her husband was a consummate politician and even though now old you can still see it in him when he speaks.

If Biden had ran in 2016 he would probably have defeated Trump and he woukd never have been heard of again. The democratic party in a way have created Trump. The US is a very unequal society. Only about 50% get the chance to go to college. For the rest unless you family are in business or unionised work it's minimum wage. There would be little history of trade or unionised work for most non white no college educated youths. These it seems voted in droves for Trump and his no tax on tips.

Biden pushed the college debt forgiveness bit it means nothing to 50% of younger or older Americans. It costs about 120k dollars to complete college in an in state college, out of state it's 180k. If you are outside these systems add another 50-100k. However for a lot of middle Americans college costs are a serious issue. Interest rates are 6-9% for federal loans, 4-17% for bank loans. Repayments on 70k borrowed over 10 years at 6% is 9k a year.

There is not a lot of state supports, 10 days holidays a year, you work until you are into your 70's and for many that is on the minimum wage