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USA 2024 presidential election

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  • #1832
    padd b1975
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,908 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807267#Comment_122807267

    Trump wouldn't have won without a sizable chunk of female votes.

    Do you think they thought that too?



  • #1833
    wazzzledazzle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,216 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    Trump now official as the winner after Wisconsin confirmed



  • #1834
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 56,255 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Combination of factors at work here IMO.

    1. The Republicans have figured out how to at least pretend that you care about people's wellbeing and appeal to that, the Democrats are still too obsessed with identity politics. This isn't working at the polls.
    2. Biden, while he got a lot done, is a fairly bland individual these days and there's not much charisma about him. He hasn't exactly been an inspiring figurehead the past 4 years for floating voters to rally behind.
    3. Harris was too quiet as VP, though this could just be a perception that we have as the VP doesn't get much coverage over here.
    4. Biden deciding to run again was a disaster, by the time he dropped out they had no choice but to run Harris.
    5. Trump, whether we like it or not, has a lot of charisma and is able to get people to follow him. Despite his flaws (and there are many, some very serious) people were still buying what he is selling.

    I really don't think the Democrats have their fingers on the issues that the average person cares about a lot.



  • #1835
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807304#Comment_122807304

    in reality Americans are extremely inward looking and vote based on their own personal finances and the price of a gallon of petrol.

    Which they are absolutely entitled to do and what people do all over the world when it comes to elections



  • #1836
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,787 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807348#Comment_122807348

    Yes, that's exactly what I think.

    Whether it's self-deprication, lack of education or just pure idiocy behind it I do think that's what that huge chunk of female voters you refer to had on their mind when filing out those ballot papers



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  • #1837
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,787 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807419#Comment_122807419

    And if we're being honest he's probably going to carry the other 3 swing states as well



  • #1838
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807467#Comment_122807467

    I never said they weren't but my point is that they don't look at bigger picture items like democracy, world standing, real economy, abortion rights etc but purely their perception of what is happening in their immediate environs and their own pocket.



  • #1839
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,308 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122806840#Comment_122806840

    Polls show only around 10% of Irish people support him over his opponent. It's a pretty small minority, but as with any social media, they tend to be more vocal.

    As for why they support him even though there might be a risk to Irish multinationals - there doesn't have to be logic behind supporting someone. Some people back Trump purely because they enjoy the feeling of "sticking it to the other side".



  • #1840
    wazzzledazzle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,216 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807498#Comment_122807498

    All but gaurenteed looking at the count to date on BBC a while ago.



  • #1841
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807220#Comment_122807220

    And that's exactly what happened in the 2020 Primaries, she bombed.

    I know it's hindsight but it has been terrible succession planning since the time of Obama by the Democrats.

    In 2016 Clinton was the candidate because it was "her turn".

    In 2020 Biden was a late entry because the field was so bad.

    Everyone knew he was old and the possibilities of running again in 2024 were not guaranteed.

    But instead of picking a VP running mate that might be a good presidential candidate for 2024 he had to pick a woman of colour (that had bombed out in 2020) to satisfy a certain cohort of the Democrats, the party mind you, not the voters.

    And it backfired spectacularly last night.



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  • #1842
    wazzzledazzle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,216 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    The Brits are loons. Listening to the media about their supposed "special relationship" with the US, fcuking hell, they are almost an irrelevance ot the top table these days. The US couldn't really care less about the Brits

    Another nation with God Complex mentality



  • #1843
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122805906#Comment_122805906

    No, given the scale of the early results even by then it was obvious that he had outperformed predictions



  • #1844
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807503#Comment_122807503

    I think that comes with the fact that America is a huge diverse country, where there is a lot of local autonomy.

    You don't need to look beyond your own state or even city when it comes to politics.

    To many Americans it matters more who is in the State House than who is in the White House.

    That's difficult for us in a small country to fully understand.

    Massachusetts has been as blue a blue state as you can get for decades, but in that time they have had numerous Republican governors.



  • #1845
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122806865#Comment_122806865

    He just had to be a better choice than the alternative.

    And for the average American that was no contest.

    The Democrats will have to change, they have lost the working class and are rapidly losing the wider Hispanic vote and young black men, and Asians.

    There isn't enough young ivy league wasps to have them win, thr Democrats used bebthe party of the blue collar and bottom half, who could imagine that now.



  • #1846
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,447 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807441#Comment_122807441

    On point 1, I think you've hit the nail on the head. Whether the Democrats like it or not, the majority of Americans are not on board with their version of identity. It's one of the many things that have cost them the election.

    I think they will have to tack significantly right wards on identity to get back to power. I suspect we will see similar trends globally



  • #1847
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,308 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807522#Comment_122807522

    Not even hindsight, many of us were pointing out all these things along the way. When Biden was running this year, obviously everyone could see he was "too old". It was right there when we switched on the TV. However they moved too slowly and were too fixated with "the incumbent must run" statistics.

    When Harris was announced to run, immediately myself and other commentators pointed out that she was bland, a woman and "brown". Middle America is not progressive. Not someone you want running against Trump. Couldn't understand why they couldn't arm-twist someone "presidential looking" like Newsome to run.

    However when poll figures jumped I admit that even I got a glimmer of hope. The rest is history.



  • #1848
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    And the Democrats had to skip Shapiro , as Veep,in Pennsylvania, the one state they had to win, a stand out candidate, a proven vote getter even among Republicans.

    Thr problems he is a Jew and they were frightened of the backlash from the young activists.



  • #1849
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807491#Comment_122807491

    Problem for the Democrats, ie the same as what did for Corbyn, has halved SFs vote, has wiped out the left in most of Europe.

    The people whose vote they have always relied on have cottoned on to the fact that the progressive types despise them, viscerally so.

    If the vote was just confined to ivy league graduates on 6 figures Harris would have stormed it.



  • #1850
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,787 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807517#Comment_122807517

    I wonder if there's anything to this... The only real way Harris could come back at this stage is if indeed there was voter fraud

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/donald-trump-claims-there-is-massive-cheating-taking-place-in-pennsylvania-13249150



  • #1851
    hometruths
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,803 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Well I did not see that coming, I thought Harris would do exactly what Trump has done - sweep the swing states with a comfortable victory.

    I do think a positive is he looks to have won the popular vote as well which hopefully will make it an easier pill to swallow for his opponents.



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  • #1852
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,787 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807611#Comment_122807611

    Problem for Democrats is that they're a political party in a completely backwards country



  • #1853
    Mr Disco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭Mr Disco


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807618#Comment_122807618

    give over. There is zero way back for Harris



  • #1854
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 56,255 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807573#Comment_122807573

    It's not that they need to track right, I think they just need to make it less of an issue and focus more on issues related to the economy etc.



  • #1855
    wazzzledazzle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,216 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807618#Comment_122807618

    No no, the game is up for Harris.

    The problem for Harris, is not the colour of her skin, is that she was a woman(i believe Trumps "man vote increased"), and probably more importantly, not a very capable politician



  • #1856
    TinyMuffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    herschel walker going to be put in charge of his new missile shield 😂😂

    He made a balls of introducing trump the other night.



  • #1857
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,787 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807642#Comment_122807642

    If it was Harris that instigated it I'd say you're right, but we all know Trump is very active when it comes to voter fraud



  • #1858
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807661#Comment_122807661

    They lost the White working class because they abandoned them, economically and policy wise, they had to shore up the black vote and Hispanic vote with identity politics while doing the same to them.

    That road has now also started to disappear.

    The alternative is that the Democrats come down from the pulpit and walk and listen and work for the lowly ones in the pews.

    Can they do that, I doubt it, I think to do so could split them.

    The Republicans just have to be less shi77y than the Democrats to win.



  • #1859
    PsychoPete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,031 ✭✭✭✭PsychoPete


    Harris was never the right choice even tho on paper she should have been fantastic. She crashed and burned in 2019, completely anonymous and unpopular as VP which VPs tend to be,hand picked as a candidate then she suddenly became the saviour of democracy according to the media. If the Democrats had a primary, I don't think she would have won. She wouldn't do an interview over an hour and would only do 45 minutes, any time I watched her rallies it was more Obama,big mike or some celebrities. Targeting her campaign at women,abortion and celebrity endorsements from Taylor Swift or Beyonce wasn't going to work, men won't get on board with that. I think the Democrats need to go back to basics now for 2028



  • #1860
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807638#Comment_122807638

    That's what Dessie o'Malley said about the Progressive Democrats here.

    Its the same mindset which disinformation both.



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  • #1861
    spacecoyote
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,136 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    Unfortunately, the cycle will continue. Much like the tories in the UK.

    Reps get in, make sh1t of the place with bad economic policy that builds bubbles and eventually busts. But the busts tend to come towards the end of their terms.

    So they drop out of power, Dems come in and have to fix the mess. They generally do.

    Reps start saying...look at the mess of the economy since the dems came in. American public don't understand economics and the length of a cycle, they just look at their pockets today and say, I've got less than I did when the Reps were last in.

    So the Reps win, and start again with more dumb policy that someone else can fix when they're gone.

    And the women thing is 100% an issue, from American men and women. I remember watching interviews with rust belters saying..."I don't like Trump or what he stands for, but I couldn't bring myself to vote for a woman to be president"



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