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USA 2024 presidential election

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,216 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,845 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    What am I waffling about?

    I believe you are correct in your assertion that Russia wouldn't stand a chance against NATO (at least that's what I assume you meant by UN member since, y'know, despite Russia being a permanent member of the UN Security Council they've already invaded three UN member states (Chechnya, Georgia & Ukraine) without anyone "crushing" them.

    It's not "whataboutery" to suggest Trump being elected will be bad for Ukrainians. Russsians have been raping and murdering Ukrainians since 2014 and Trump's last involvement with the country was an attempt to blackmail Volodymyr Zelenskyy into helping him with a personal attack on a political opponent's family.

    The tangoed pervert openly admires Putin, the man responsible for tens of thousands of deaths in Ukraine and fuelling a migrant crisis in Europe in an attempt to destabilise the EU.

    Educate yourself or keep your mouth shut and listen when those better educated than you are discussing something. People will generally respect you more for it or, at the least, won't realise your ignorance.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,394 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Mod: Up the standard if you wish to continue posting in the Politics forum (that goes for everyone)

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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Trump went into office the first time without a plan (a concept of a plan maybe). This time his cronies are very prepared, and have literally spelled out how the US will be in Project 2025. Of course Trump denies it all, but does anyone actually believe him?

    It will spell disaster for Ukraine, and will absolutely hurt the global economy (trade wars etc…). It has huge ramifications for everyone. Saying it doesn't matter is factually incorrect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,216 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    I'd say it's yourself who needs to educate oneself, but as mentioned by the MOD, Let's leave it there



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭rock22


    Even if US taxes are slashed, a big if, the Apples and Googles will still need an EU base. So i think there would be no immediate threat to the Apple or Google Irish bases.

    Whichever candidate is elected, The US will continue to current level of support to Ukraine, which is not enough to bring about a decisive victory. Humiliating and frustrating Putin is victory enough for the US, neither Democrats or Republicans will go to war over Ukraine.

    Both the US and EU seem to be committed to a long extended trade war with China. That will have a much bigger affect on world trade than anything Trump proposes.

    The real damage Trump will do , I fear, is internally in the US. There is a real danger of a slide into fascism or at least something approaching fascism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    You're absolutely correct, trump will continue to oppose putin as much as biden has and Harris proposes /s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,828 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Ah, feck them, they get what they deserve if it happens.

    No matter what happens in the White House, its clear that Congress will be mired in no clear working majority, and with Congress in charge of budget matters I don't see how Trump can actually deliver a massive upending of WTO and OECD agreements to bring in Tariffs and slash corporation taxes - not without putting the federal budget into untenable shape and increasing US borrowing rates through the roof. And while the federal budget does need huge work to get it into a consistent pattern of surplus, that will be impossible with poor credit ratings and much higher borrowing costs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,845 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    LOL, happy to hide behind the mods after you've thrown a last dig in.

    Seriously though, read the links you're being provided with. Trump will be a disaster for Ukraine. Tens of thousands are already dead as a result of American reluctance to live up to the spirit of the Budapest Memorandum and the evaporation of even the lacklustre support being provided by Biden's administration under a second Trump term of office will increase that death toll further.

    There's no "deal" to be done or negotiated settlement possible in Ukraine. Even if Ukraine were prepared to hand over the territory already occupied by Russia and sacrifice the lives of their citizens who didn't manage to flee that territory, that wouldn't be enough for Putin. He's publicly stated his intentions to "re-unify" the USSR under his mafia state so while such a deal might buy him some time to rebuild his army, Ukraine cannot accept any terms other than a complete withdrawal of Russian troops from their sovereign territory as they know they'd be both condemning their citizens in the occupied territory to the war crimes we have seen in Bucha and elsewhere and providing Putin's Russia the opportunity to re-build the army they've shattered against the brave Ukrainian resistance for a second invasion attempt in a few years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,322 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I think whoever wins will inherit a poisoned chalice as the current rate of deficit spending isn’t sustainable.

    Recent weak labour market figures seems to indicate that there are struggles around the corner for the US economy no matter who is in charge.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,394 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Mod: given the day and the subject, I'll remind posters to familiarise themselves with the charter.
    Bans will be handed out swiftly so do err on the side of caution when posting!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,216 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    I agree with a lot of that, Ukraine shouldn't hand an inch of land over to that terrorist, but i honestly think people overplay the effect Trump will have on this conflict.

    But what do i know? The exact same as anyone else here. Trump says a lot of things, but until i see it play out, it's just words and shite talk from him



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,383 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The October Jobs report was driven almost entirely by the various weather events dampening down demand.

    Every other economic indicator remains very strong.

    That's not to say that things can't change , but the US economy is going really really well at present.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    Im think Harris will win and by a bigger margin than people are expecting.

    The aftermath of this I am hoping is that once and for all the GOP will wake up finally from the MAGA wing and turn on Trump and put Tump and MAGA into the rubbish bin of history where they desrerve to be. If he looses you could see McConnell et al turn on him and say you lost for the 3rd of 4th time… now f**k off.

    Cant wait for the end of Trump being on the news and the threat of him being in Power again. The only time he will be in the news is for his court cases for the next few years. God willing

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,616 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Sadly MAGA will not end with Trump; first we'll have his son trying to take over (and fail) along with multiple other newly elected Republicans trying to become the new MAGA overlord by courting Trump (and fail). In addition they will all screech about conspiracy and what not throughout all the court cases (and spend another couple of years about "stolen elections etc." to build street cred). Even once Trump dies they will try to pretend to be his movements leadership with his blessing (referring back to how this and that meeting and statement etc.). I don't think MAGA will be replaced until the next decade movement comes along (same way we had with the Tea party movement etc.) to replace it (and absorb it).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭Mr Disco


    Trump will win at a canter. Odds continuing to shorten. It’s over



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    They'll have balanced it out but he is also up a good bit among the wider working class.

    Harris overall has lost a lot of Indians, African Americans and especially Hispanics.

    Republican registered voters is up in most swing States.

    So an awful lot has changed since 2020 and whether that is reflected or not is questionable

    Tldr: Who the fook knows.

    I think He'll get Nevada, Georgia, Pennsylvania and Arizona.

    If the working class turn out big he'll walk it.

    If they don't, he won't.

    Other groups and combinations might turn out in unusually large numbers.

    I think He'll do it but wouldn't be surprised if Harris ended up with 300 plus as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    As David McWilliams said this morning, it is now bigger than Trump, it is the ending of the Neoliberal world order since Reagan Harris offers continuity there but that model is ending.



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    Harris overall has lost a lot of Indians, African Americans and especially Hispanics

    She has lost a lot of Muslims in Michigan, a state with a large Muslim population, because of her stance on Israel.

    They won't be voting for Trump, they will just not be voting which obviously hurts Harris.

    I also read a few weeks ago how Trump is targeting black voters, by simply saying to them "you have always voted Democrat but you have got nothing in return, you are still marginalized"

    Again black people are not suddenly going to switch over to the Republican party rather they won't show up and vote for Harris.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Exactly.

    People get the government they deserve.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,828 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Early reports of longer lines at Philadelphia stations than have ever been seen before.

    Metro Philly area is half of the Pennsylvania population all on its own.

    Good early indications for the Dems



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Early votes in penn by party voters, down about 700k for the Democrats in 2024 vs 2020 figures.

    GOP figures largely the same.

    Good turnout today in key States by Republican voters but that would reflect people voting as they are going to work so not necessarily indicative and needs a few more hours.

    Republicans also usually vote on the day, majority of dems have likely voted already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,828 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Odds are meaningless. They are only indicative of the size of bets being placed.

    The Pollsters with good long term track records don't reflect the odds in any way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭Mr Disco




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭Novfith


    As a Trump supporter, I am fearful but my head says that I just can't see how Harris gets the votes to win considering the wars in the world which have no end in sight and inflation. Kennedy being on the ballot complicates things as no matter what RFK says, there's still people who will vote for him.

    I didn't think Trump would win 4 years ago and he outperformed the polls.

    Whether the polls have been fixed or not, I don't know.

    In 538's polling averages, Joe Biden was +8.4% in the polls. Harris is +1.2%.

    My head says this:

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    My fear is this:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,221 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Neither of Trump's sons have the capacity to take up the mantle after he has moved off stage.

    5-6 years ago, I was concerned that Ivana might be looking to be the heir in chief, or her Jared, but him losing in 2020 and all the stuff after I think really frightened her off.

    I've posted a fair bit this week of how he is standing pretty much alone within the GOP at this point. I mean, there are some supporters and those who will go on TV to try to persuade people to vote for him but when your transition team includes 2 former Democrats and Republicans who are not of significant standing in the party, its a sign to me that the party isn't fully behind him. The traditional or experienced arm of the party anyway at least.

    I think if he loses this week, they'll try to move past him. Niki Halley is still very much on scene ready to come in with the 'I told you so'. He had the energy and the motivation to hold on to it last time, particularly because it was so close and he managed to do that. If he loses, and if he loses big today, it'll be a different story I reckon.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,616 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    I agree that his sons don't have the capability to replace him but you can bet your dollars on that Jared will try to continue the grift from his father in law's spirit. I'd not be surprised if he ran for house or senate (esp. if Trump died conveniently a year or so before) on the basis he's Trump's heir basically. The best (relatively speaking) hope is that with Trump losing again his MAGA base decides that "since all the elections are stolen anyway" they simply don't vote and allow the Republicans to pivot back to something slightly more sane version of themselves (highly unlikely as I think they will jerk further to the right wing conspiracy side of things).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    His sexist, racist ideology has appeal to a significant portion of conservative religious blacks. See Mark Robinson on NC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 864 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    Another poster said Harris will win by 300+ Electoral votes, I'd like to find them so I can sell them some magic beans I have for sale.



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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Another poster has said Trump will win the popular vote. That's just as unlikely.



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